Elizabeth Barrette (ysabetwordsmith) wrote,
Elizabeth Barrette
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Neutrois

I discovered a new sex/gender identity term today: Neutrois. This refers to people who seek a sex change, not to the opposite sex, but to a neuter sex. I'm not surprised to hear that they tend to get locked out of available options. Society usually prefers to crush to death the people of atypical identity, rather than become more flexible.

Anyhow, just in case there are any in the audience, I'm neuter-friendly along with all the other alphabet-soup-friendly aspects I have. It's your body. If it doesn't fit and you want to tailor it, that's your business.

Additional references on neuter/Neutrois and related topics are welcome. I've written about neuter characters before. haikujaguar has a penchant for neuter characters, which appear in several of her tri-sexed alien races; but she also has some characters who are neuter-esque, such as the Glaseahn, who are two-sexed and fertile, just with a nearly nonexistent sex drive.
Tags: fantasy, gender studies, science fiction
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Oh, what an interesting word!

As an aside, in answer to your question here about Exuberance, those particular aliens are neuter until they meet the right person. Then they differentiate into male and female to mate and parent, and then become neuter again. The four-foot form is always neuter, also.

They have three sex pronouns: four-foot, bipedal neuter, and 'parent' (no differentiation between male and female; if, for instance, you give birth as a female to a child with someone who later dies, and then you fall in love again and have a child as a male, there's no pronoun confusion. You are a 'parent' to both children, though you were a female mother to one and a male father to the other).
Oh, how utterly fascinating! It explains the chest and hips, sure enough. That's a different variable than I've seen before. James White's Hudlar change sex, but a mated couple will alternate around each pregnancy. The aliens in _The Left Hand of Darkness_ seem to have a random sex development in each fertile cycle. I look forward to hearing more about Exuberance & friends.
Me too. I am fascinated by their concept of having a partner-Rider that they're willing to tack up and ride into war with. It's sort of like... Pernese dragons, but actually smart enough to know what's going on and able to become humanoid, so they don't actually NEED the bipeds for anything. It's more like... a romantic, epic fantastical thing out of histories: the Riders and their Ridden.
My centaurs don't tend to form tight sexual bonds. But for the ones who have riders, that's the dominant pairbond in their culture. One important aspect is that centaurs are herd creatures by nature; they actually can't take care of themselves properly alone, because there are parts they can't reach. A mount-and-rider pair can go places a whole herd couldn't, so it gives them some interesting freedoms -- in the context of a very intimate relationship.

The smaller, faster kinds of centaurs make brilliant skirmishers. A riderless centaur can twist around to fire over his own haunches. Put a rider on him, though, and he can focus all his attention forward while the rear-facing rider covers the back. Arm them both with an assortment of recurve shortbows or crossbows, and they're wickedly effective.

Then there's the centaur cavalry. They're like tanks, devastating and unstoppable. Imagine something with the mass of a destrier, in heavy plate armor, carrying one or two heavy lances or polearms. Now add a moderately armored rider with more lances, heavy or light, and a sword for close combat. Now get the centaurs hopped up on tarragon so they'll charge anything, even a fire wall or a square of pikes. They might not survive the charge, but they will by gods put a hole through that line.

Most centaurs lean towards prey mentality: they don't like to fight, they'd rather run, and they spook easily. But some of them are downright ferocious, and you *do not* want to be on the other side of that fight. I have one poem about the centaur cavalry in action, "The Defeat of Silea." I hope that one finds a home soon; it'll be fun to share.
Wow, thanks for posting that. I didn't even know that name for us.
I didn't know there was a word for people like me. *glee!* I wonder if it will be as difficult as they tell me...perhaps by the time I'm a legal adult, things may have changed here in Canada.

Linguistics are wonderful this way. Its like discovering an alien language to find there's a word to describe something you knew in concept, but not in English.
I wish you luck on your journey. Know that there are people in the world who respect your indentity and your right to be who you are.

The Canadian health care system is very different from America's and I don't know how well or poorly it handles the need for gender-driven body modification. Quietly seek out the queer/trans community in your area and ask for recommendations -- health care providers who specialize in treating such people tend to gain a following and people will refer new seekers to them. A GLBTQ-friendly practitioner might be sympathetic towards someone aiming for Neutrois.

As for linguistics, yep, I love hunting for words across languages. Watch for books like _They Have A Word For It_ and both volumes of _Tingo_.
Oh my goodness--you have no idea how long I've been looking for books like that. Thank you so much! *bounces*
Glad I could help.

*wink* If you haven't already done it, hit the "linguistics" tag in my blog. I have a lot of vocabulary on here that I think you'll enjoy, and links to some stuff that other people have posted too.

Also well worth a peek is conlangs which is a gathering space for people interested in constructed languages. A lot of good vocabulary pops up there too.

And you must read haikujaguar's excellent series "The Aphorisms of Kherishdar" for sociological science fiction that always begins with an Ai-Naidari vocabulary word. Good brain-stretchy stuff.
http://www.stardancer.org/kherishdar/index.phtml
Oh, wonderful links, thank you! :)

I actually came here from haikujaguar's journal, and squee'd my way through the Aphorisms. Such beautiful, alien concepts.
My gender identity is definitely closer to androgyne than either male or female. Alas, it's far easier for me to get HRT and various legal protections by explaining that I'm a male-to-female transsexual. Otherwise, I'm just a guy who wants to wear women's clothing and take hormones as a fashion statement or attention-seeking behavior.

These pesky humans really love their gender boxes. After lots of lobbying, they created new ones for "boys who want to be girls" and "girls who want to be boys." The idea that one might have no interest in any of their little boxes is utterly unthinkable to them.

BTW: I owe you an e-mail on an unrelated topic which I hope to send out later this evening.

- k
Hello from another deadset neutrois!

I end up fuming over the binary sex-change reality at least once a week nowadays. I have no idea what to do, and it gets terribly frustrating when you've been dealing with this problem for years like I have.

I agree with kenazf-- gender boxes can get terribly stereotypical and frankly idiotic after a while. Just because one doesn't fit in with society's narrow view of gender doesn't mean they should be looked down upon or ostracized.

Seriously, though, if you want more info on neutrois then just ask me. I'm a research addict and this has been my life for ages, so I know a decent amount of information.

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