Elizabeth Barrette (ysabetwordsmith) wrote,
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Health Care Reform: What Are You Doing?

A thread on another post led to this exchange with bearleyport:

bearleyport I don't think it's about the real cost and benefits of health care. It's about who deserves to be treated. We're immersed in a culture that confuses wealth with virtue and poverty (or victimization) with vice.

ysabetwordsmith I believe that everyone deserves to have the health care that they need. I believe that wealth is a very foolish way to assess the value of a human being.

bearleyport What are we going to do about it?

So far, I have done these things in attempt to improve this situation:

  • gritted my teeth and decided that things have gotten so bad I have to tackle this topic personally and directly, although it is a topic I hate and would greatly prefer to leave to people who are more fluent with it

  • talked with my doctor (who favors a single-payer system, and says his colleagues do likewise)

  • sought, read, and collected a wide range of resources regarding American (and foreign) health care from a variety of perspectives

  • shared the best resources, via links, with my audience

  • reviewed Howard Dean's book about health care reform

  • launched a number of discussions about health care, mainly here but also over on <i>Gaiatribe</i> and occasionally in person

  • tried to cultivate a relatively open, sane, logical, and benign forum for such discussions, despite the fact that it's a contentious issue and people feel very strongly about it -- with mixed success

  • sent dozens of letters to assorted representatives exhorting them to take various actions to improve America's health care system so that our citizens do not suffer and die needlessly; there are 5 just on the current screen of my Change.org profile

  • given up hope that I'm going to be able to set this aside any time soon, and added the category "Health Care" to my Causes on Change.org

  • articulated my moral, practical, and other reasons for why health reform is crucial

  • searched for common ground as people argue different points and perspectives, with special attention to problems that will need to be fixed and areas of agreement that could be expanded

  • generally encouraged other folks to become active on this issue before the damage becomes irreparable


What have you done, or are doing, about this? Links to your posts about it elsewhere, or to things you've done that other people may want to join, are welcome.
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One thing I do is patronize doctors who are working outside our present system, and promote them to everyone I know.
That's a good one. I also use a doctor who doesn't take insurance.

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ysabetwordsmith

11 years ago

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ysabetwordsmith

11 years ago

I admire your activism! You have read and done more about this topic than I have, for certain. My mother died a decade ago, partly because of mistaken medical treatments, and the entire process was ghastly. Since then I've been lucky enough to be healthy, but have watched friends struggle with severe health issues, chain themselves to jobs just for the health insurance benefits, and go bankrupt due to medical costs.

I'm wondering what you think of the cover story in the September issue of _The Atlantic_, "How American Health Care Killed My Father." It's actually not directly about his experience of watching his father die a preventable death in a hospital, but rather an analysis of what the system is, how it got this way, and what to do about it.
I think that article highlights a lot of problems with the system, but that the proposed solution is impractical. One huge disadvantage to "consumer-driven" health care is that, when people need health care, they are least able to bargain effectively. They are usually sick or injured and need care immediately. The last thing they have time for is comparison-shopping! A single-payer plan eliminates that problem (which also plagues our current system, in the form of insurance-company denials).
I've admired your energy and your advocacy on this subject.

I have been reluctant to tackle it myself because my time and energy is limited. Also I have some serious moral concerns.

I work hard for a living. I have OK healthcare through my employer. I don't have kids, nor do I plan on having kids.

On what moral basis can you (or anyone else) justify taking money out of my pocket to pay for the health care of other persons?

This is a genuine question and I feel that it is at the cruz of the health care debate.

One true but pedantic answer that the government IS ALREADY taking lots of money away from me for the health care of others is not helpful. Assume for the sake of argument that I already resent this legalized theft . . . what I am looking for is a moral justification.

Also note it is different if you require me by law to buy health care insurance (as I am required to buy car insurance), or for that matter to pass a law requiring all employers to provide health care, as was done in San Francisco. This is a reasonable exercise of the police power.

However, the power to tax is the power to destroy, and the money that the tax system takes away from me now is money that I cannot use to buy my own health care and sustenance in my old age.

Selfish? Yes, absolutely. I have zero confidence that any government health care program (or Social Security) will ever do anything for me -- so why should I do anything for it?

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ideealisme

11 years ago

In some ways I feel guilty because I am not doing more for health care reform, but because of my deterorating health over the last few years, I simply do not have much energy to spare on a lot of things.

Today, though, I did run across this online Newsweek article that points out the top 5 lies and half-truths promoted by those who have more to gain than a healthy population.
>>In some ways I feel guilty because I am not doing more for health care reform, but because of my deterorating health over the last few years, I simply do not have much energy to spare on a lot of things.<<

It's okay; nobody can do everything. I've ignored this topic for years, leaving it to people better suited. But when the flood's pouring over the levees, every able-bodied person needs to pitch in -- and when it comes to words and information, that's me.

Thanks for sharing the article! It makes a good examination of the misrepresentations.

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This sounds very heartening.

I really hope that our representatives stop catering to the privateers in the insurance and drug industries, and put some real bargaining power into the public option to drive down prices to something that American can actually afford.
Mostly I've been doing small person-to-person activism, including -- red-letter day -- convincing my brother that the proposed plan is not evil incarnate.

So, for example, tonight at the fitness center CNN was interviewing someone who said, "The question is, do you want to be in charge of your healthcare, with your doctor as a trusted advisor, or do you want the government to decide how you can be treated?" I looked at the woman next to me and said, "So how is that different from an insurance company telling your doctor how you can be treated?"

She said, "You know, that's a good question."

Also, I'm a union member, and my union, Communications Workers of America, is fighting for healthcare reform and the Employee Free Choice Act.
Fair play to you for taking a stand against the ridiculous hate-mongering going on. And in a sensible way.

Yay!

ysabetwordsmith

11 years ago

Eh, I can't say I've done much, save being a happy, healthy Canadian. Ya know, one of those guys from 'Northern Canuckistan' with the 'socialist' health care system.

I never realized that something that's been a reasonably successful part of the Canadian lifestyle for a number of decades poses such an amazing threat to the American way of life that to combat it requires belligerent shouting, comparisons to communism and nazism, and even threats of physical violence and assassination. *goggles in wonder*

This. Only, y'know, smaller, and with less potential financial influence over multinational pharmaceutical companies.

the_vulture

11 years ago

It's all also very interesting to note to members of this supposedly "Christian" nation who are so obsessed with wealth, that Jesus was quoted saying, "It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God." (Mark 10:25, NIV)
I have to admit that I'm baffled why many of the people who call themselves Christian seem to like Jesus. I mean, Jesus disliked rich powerful people. He liked prostitutes, thieves, and poor people. He was the son of a teenage mother who was not married to her child's father. He was an inconvenient, often dirty, usually unemployed, mostly homeless, and sometimes hot-tempered activist. If he were alive today, he'd be in a secret prison with women's underwear over his head, getting beaten near to death. (Which considering that latent messiahs are about 1 per billion, and the Middle East slot always seems to fill first, means there are about half a dozen alive right now and one of those is somewhere we're beating up a lot of people ... so not outside the realm of possibility.) Yet millions of wealthy, powerful people claim to follow the teachings of Christ even though the stuff he told people to do ("Love thy neighbor as thyself," "Give all that you have to the poor and follow Me," etc.) is mostly stuff they don't wish to do. My best guess is that they like Him because they were trained to do so, and don't actually know the guy all that well.

Which is going to lead to a lot of camel problems at the pearly gate.

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11 years ago

To the "Why should I pay for others" argument, I add this to the discussion:

We are already paying for others. Those without health insurance skip health care until it is an emergency, when they rush to the emergency room. There they are treated, by law. Someone pays for that treatment. Some of it comes out of taxes. Some of it comes out of the pockets of those without health insurance who (can) pay full price. Some of it comes out of the generally spiraling costs of health care. Money goes to treatment rather than prevention, since there's not enough to go around, and thus treatment is more complicated - read: more expensive. As costs go up, insurance covers less, more people use emergency rooms inappropriately, ...

TAANSTAFL - There ain't no such thing as a free lunch. Unless you live in a closed system, where everything you use and consume is done by your own effort, then you are affected by the welfare of others around you. You have benefited from someone paying part of your way; others have benefited from your paying part of their way. We really are in this all together -- it's the whole reason we form societies in the first place; to do that which we cannot do alone.

I do not believe anyone is suggesting that the rich should pay all expenses for the poor. Rather, I think we (since I support the proposal) are saying that everyone should have a base level of health care as a civil right. Or, to put it another way, as a benefit of submitting to the social contract. The provider for that base level has to be a party with no axe to grind, a party that will truly treat all equally. That is the public option. Since it will not cover everything, there is still much room for a competitive market to fill the gaps. Medicare gap coverage, for example, is a booming business for insurance companies.

Our economy depends on a healthy, cooperative work force. That's why we all benefit when everyone has a base level of health care. Reasonable people may differ on what "reasonable level" means. But we won't even get to that debate at the rate we're going right now.

What am I doing? Educating myself and spreading my thoughts on the subject, like a responsible citizen. I also voted for those who agree with me.
>>We are already paying for others. Those without health insurance skip health care until it is an emergency, when they rush to the emergency room.<<

Yes! People keep forgetting this. Universal health care would save lots of money on this angle. Furthermore, many hospitals are going bankrupt and closing; that reduces access, which is bad, and fault tolerance, which is disastrous. We already don't have enough slack in the system to handle ordinary surges, such as flu season or natural calamities, without running out of beds and staff and supplies in some places. A real epidemic could wax us like a kitchen floor, rich and poor alike.

>> We really are in this all together -- it's the whole reason we form societies in the first place; to do that which we cannot do alone.<<

Precisely. No one is an island, even if you would prefer to be.

>>I do not believe anyone is suggesting that the rich should pay all expenses for the poor. Rather, I think we (since I support the proposal) are saying that everyone should have a base level of health care as a civil right. Or, to put it another way, as a benefit of submitting to the social contract.<<

Very well said! When people feel that the social contract is honest and good, they abide by it. When it shortchanges them, they violate it; and one can hardly blame people for abandoning a system that has abandoned them.

>>Our economy depends on a healthy, cooperative work force. That's why we all benefit when everyone has a base level of health care. <<

Sooth.

Thank you for your help and support on this issue. (I think I forgot to list voting for pro-health representatives among my accomplishments.)


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