Elizabeth Barrette (ysabetwordsmith) wrote,
Elizabeth Barrette
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Automated Baby Care Is So Wrong

This automated rocking crib creeps me out. Babies need human contact to learn how to be human beings. They can die from lack of touch. I can understand parents' need for relief, but that's what relatives and friends are for. Or do you want children to imprint more on machines than on humans?

O_o Now there is a disturbing idea for a science fiction story: a sentient computer takes over the Earth, and only the old people are bothered by it. The younger generation, raised by machines, feel comforted. Yee eee eee ...
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When I was pregnant and reading my 'what to expect' book, I was stunned that there was an entire section on "what to do when you feel like you're at the end of your rope." This section culminated in advice to take your baby next door to your neighbors--anything but staying around when you were about to go insane... in an attempt to prevent child abuse.

I thought this was crazy talk until I realized:

1. Women who have just given birth have extremely whacked body chemistry. Yes, you really do get weird in the head in ways that make terrible things possible;

2. And yes, even if you are feeling normal, weeks straight of not sleeping will take care of that.


This is rough stuff, and most people don't have the luxury of friends and family to help out more than once in a while, if that. And even if your situation isn't dire, you end up choosing your battles because you're too exhausted to fight them all.
It's good to have a list of things to try when you're at the end of your rope. I'm just worried about how fragmented our society is getting.

I can remember my grandmother and her friends going around to baby showers. They had this little speech that they did. Everybody would be telling the mother, "Now if you need anything, you call me." And the grandmothers would pull the mother aside and tell her, "You take down the numbers for all those people, and you call them back, and you ask what their schedules are like. Then you sort them out as best you can around your due date, so that you've got help for a month or so afterward. If you can't work it out, I'll help with the scheduling." So then the mother would have a buffer to recover while someone else helped with the baby and the house and the older kids if there were any. Another common thing was for a woman's mother to come visit a week or two before the due date, and stay for a month or few afterwards. This was a really good idea if the family dynamics were at all sane. Today it's a lot harder, but people do still say, "If there's anything I can do..." Whip out your calendar and put them down for a few days. It's better than nothing and it can save your health and sanity.
Let's see. I had... three people at my baby shower. :/

Sometimes there just isn't that support network. Or it's the wrong kind (most of my friends are guys. And a lot of modern men have decided they can't help out with kids, that's for women to figure out).

Thank the God I married a double Cancer!!
Mine likes kids. He has previously raised some of his own, and he enjoys the babies in community too.
My husband is very helpful also... but he also works all day. It's amazing how two people aren't enough, sometimes. :,
Taking care of a child is a full-time occupation. You need a minimum of two adults, so that they can tag off and get some sleep and take care of themselves, without leaving the baby unwatched. More adults would be better, so people don't get as exhausted.

I think there's a big difference between just ragging on people for not doing what you think they should doing ... vs. pointing out the potential drawbacks, looking for other solutions, and actually lending a hand to help. You have to look for ways to bring reality closer to the ideal, if you don't like where it's at. You can't just yammer and expect that to change anything for the better.

Since I'm in favor of more communal child-raising, I try to chip in a bit. Last weekend at our coffeehouse meeting, a toddler dumped water all over himself and the floor. I went up to the counter and asked the staff to send someone back with a mop, and other folks watched the toddler while the (pregnant again) mother went out to the car for dry clothes. It all got done a lot faster and calmer than if she'd had to do all that by herself.
I'm a modern woman who has decided I can't help out with kids. In the few times I've been in a role where I'm supposed to watch them, I was paranoid the entire time. I don't know what to do. I have never babysat. NEVER. I honestly would not know what to do if children started acting up, and the only thing I do is treat them the same as I would anyone: tell them to please stop and tell them the reason why and possibly the consequences of their actions. For example, please don't push one another near the stairs, as they could end up falling down the stairs and cracking their head open. Or to please not ride those scooters quickly in and out of aisles in the store because they might not see someone and end up colliding with them.

Sure, it's logic and reasoning, but so far it works. Then again, I treat kids the way I would have wanted to be treated: if you tell me to do something and explain why I should, I'll listen.
I'm not sure I follow. You start out by saying you can't deal with kids, and then write something very thoughtful that suggests you do just fine with them.

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That's the only thing I know how to do. Don't ask me to feed them or play with them or change a diaper or anything. Or look at my apartment. If I had a child, FACS would take them within a week, I'm sure.
You can learn those things pretty quickly.

I think dealing with children is like dealing with the elderly. Everyone should be able to do it in a pinch to help out: we were all kids once, and we'll all be old one day, and it's the least we'd want from the people around us, I imagine. Children and old folks aren't a different species. :)

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glitteringlynx

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haikujaguar

12 years ago

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ysabetwordsmith

12 years ago

As an only child who had no contact with cousins, I can say that the concept of what is "age appropriate" was my first lesson as a parent. Your example would work find with older kids, but not with toddlers. The good thing about having your own kids, is that you can train them your way. I trained my then 2 year old that counting to five out lout or with my fingers (for quiet environments such as a library), meant that if I got to five, and you didn't obey, there would be a negative consequence. You seldom have that relationship with other people's kids.
That's the thing. I was raised as an only child and had no siblings or surrogates. My two close friends HARDLY count as sisters. I've never been responsible for the care of any child under the age of 6, so I wouldn't know what to do. I don't even want to hold an infant b/c I don't know how (not that I'd want to hold one anyway).

And you're right, my method only works with older kids who have capacity to reason and converse. You can't reason with a 3 year old.

In my family, kids were treated mostly like adults. My cousins never got a chance to be "just kids" so I was a bit luckier that way, but it's not like my mom really played with me. Not that she didn't do things like take me camping and to Canada's Wonderland and Marineland, but that's not quite the same as playing Lego or My Little Pony, either. Becuase most of my contact was with adults, I've always been able to converse with people 30 and older much better than anyone younger than that. I mean, on school trips I always hung around the adult and talked with them, because I couldn't relate to my peers.

The flipside of this is that from the time I was 4, we had cats in the home. I always considered our first cat my "brother" since we both literally grew up together. I can converse (body language or vocalisations) with cats relatively well. I know how to hold cats or kittens, and I know how to make the noises cats recognise as mommycat sounds. I kinda socialised myself more to relating to my cat than to other humans, so all the things I do NOT know how to do with a human child, I know full well how to do with felines. The oddest part is that I don't see that as a problem, either. lol

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ysabetwordsmith

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glitteringlynx

12 years ago

That approach works very well with many children. It was very nearly the only thing that worked with me when I was little: appeals to irrelevant authority were hopeless, but a plausible reason was fine. The thing to remember is that very young children don't always understand reason yet; some of them do better with arbitrary authority. Some kids will just blink at you while you explain things, and you have to give them a push or put something in their hands before they'll respond. It's usually not too hard to figure out what approach works with which kids. I start out with logic and try something else if it doesn't work.
Well to be fair, it's the same sort of reasoning I use with my cat. You can't train a cat just by telling it to do something, you have to show them that it's in THEIR INTERESTS to do something. Mind you, with Carl body language is as important as words, since he doesn't understand English THAT well. So with kids or cats, sometimes it's important to tell them that if they continue doing what they're doing, they'll hurt themselves. Ignore the fact they might hurt others (altruism comes later in life), you have to make it about THEM. And make it easy. Cats and kids are really more similar than we like to credit, on a mental and behavioural level.

Also, I'm well aware that the frontal lobe does not attach to the rest of the brain until we're about 18 or 19, so we can't REALLY understand the consequences of our actions until adulthood. In retrospect this does make sense. When you're, say, 16, you know intellectually what could happen if you drive drunk but only because you're TAUGHT that. Any consequences were things you learned by seeing it happen to other people. If you hadn't experienced a consequence, it wasn't possible to imagine its possiblity. I'm sure all of us can recount times in high school where we hadn't known the potiential consequences of what we were doing, until the consequences met up with us.

When I was a kid, the one thing I HATED was "Because I said so" or "Because God made it that way." I knew that couldn't be the answer but I couldn't think of a rebuttal, either.

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