Musicians don’t want tunes used for torture
GUANTANAMO BAY NAVAL BASE, Cuba - Blaring from a speaker behind a metal grate in his tiny cell in Iraq, the blistering rock from Nine Inch Nails hit Prisoner No. 200343 like a sonic bludgeon.
Now the detainees aren’t the only ones complaining. Musicians are banding together to demand the U.S. military stop using their songs as weapons.
This also gave me some new insights. I suspect that somewhere in the chain of command, the purported goal of obtaining information has changed to a goal of crippling prisoners so that if released they will be ineffective as threats. Or anything else, for that matter, including functional human beings. It's possible to break people that way. It's also dangerous, because under extreme stress some people break in the direction of transcendental evolution. That's a whole new flavor of empowering enemies while trying to destroy them.
December 12 2008, 17:37:10 UTC 12 years ago
Doing this has drastically reduced the noise problem.
Yeah, when I heard the last half of that story, I totally wished I'd been paying more attention.
Hmm...
December 12 2008, 22:02:55 UTC 12 years ago
For further contemplation of appropriate and inappropriate responses to wrongdoing, I recommend "The Admonishments of Kherishdar" here:
http://www.stardancer.org/kherishdar2/
The culture is alien, but many of the underlying concepts still apply.
Re: Hmm...
December 13 2008, 17:31:31 UTC 12 years ago
Music constantly played at a volume that's painful is deafening, short-term and long-term, and would make proper sleep impossible ... the only thing worse in that regard for a prisoner would be random short respites.
December 12 2008, 21:08:36 UTC 12 years ago
December 14 2008, 01:16:03 UTC 12 years ago
Transcendental evolution?
Hmm...
December 14 2008, 05:32:05 UTC 12 years ago
Transcendental evolution is what happens when a latent saint or messiah goes active. It's a little hard to describe in English. But look at religious history around the world and you'll see that a lot of messiahs and saints were at some point caught and tortured, or otherwise placed under extreme stress. Some souls are always in the world with, hm, emergency response abilities tucked away. It takes a lot to activate those; the more powerful the person's potential, the higher the threshold. Of course, there are transcendent people who arrive in active mode -- the lamas for example -- but the latent ones are there to deal with disasters and atrocities. You really, really do not want to be leaning over one with a knife when that light goes on.
Also, any human soul has some potential for radical transformation, metamorphosis under stress. Some of the results are nasty, like certain types of charismatic warleaders or zealots. Some are ordinary people abruptly reaching saint potential for the first time. The soul, like the body, can sometimes achieve great things in moments of dire need ... but unlike the body, the soul's abrupt growth can stick in that position sometimes. This is why some cultures practice spiritual disciplines of extreme stress -- fasting, vigils, self-mutilation, etc. The harder you push, the bigger the risk and the bigger the potential breakthrough. Many people just suffer, some people break, some people die ... and some people become conduits for the living divine, of assorted flavors.
If you look at history, you can spot some interesting examples. It's one of several reasons why torture, especially on a large scale, is almost always a Very Bad Idea.
Re: Hmm...
December 14 2008, 05:35:32 UTC 12 years ago
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December 14 2008, 05:51:30 UTC 12 years ago
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December 14 2008, 05:53:27 UTC 12 years ago
Of course, reality is just consensus-created. If one has a strong enough Will and enough access to one's spiritual powers, one can change the consensus of reality once in a while.
Re: Hmm...
December 14 2008, 06:07:19 UTC 12 years ago
Think of reality like a computer network or program. Most people can only influence the lowest layer, which has certain options ("read textbook," "kiss girl," etc.) that anyone can use. If your magical, spiritual, or philosophical tradition teaches you how to log in, then you get some additional user benefits ("pray: message > God," "sense ambient magic," etc.) but still at a basic level. Above that are layers upon layers of more rarefied access, which require more study, knowledge, and skill to reach. Each one lets you do more. Some layers allow you to make brief exceptions to standard parameters, or more properly, shift the parameters applied to a given situation. The higher your level, the more dramatic the changes you can make.
Re: Hmm...
December 14 2008, 06:24:21 UTC 12 years ago
Or maybe life is like a video game, and some people are able to figure out cheat codes? :-)
Sort of relevant:
Very relevant:
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December 14 2008, 06:54:31 UTC 12 years ago
People get into arguments over what constitutes a "hack" or "cheat" of reality, compared to what are simply different permission gradients. If Jesus heals someone, it's a sysadmin privilege. If a regular person heals someone, it's a cheat code you must have gotten from SatanicHacker, and you tend to get banned from Christian.relg for it. Some people will look the other way for things like healing, while others will throw a fit about it; depends on the time and place. Other systems may allow that kind of function at lower levels, or not at all.
Re: Hmm...
December 14 2008, 08:42:15 UTC 12 years ago
The only problem I have with this view of things is that it implies a seperation between the users and the programmers. But one's Highest Self (soul, spirit, whatever) IS God, so there *is* no seperation between users and programmers, except the illusion of seperation. Which that illusion is also all that seperates us from one another.
This thread kinda reminds me of something. Let me go dig that up... *starts digging around in her trunk*
Wow, for a while there I thought I wasn't going to find it. Here it is: http://alex-antonin.livejournal.com/21002.html