Elizabeth Barrette (ysabetwordsmith) wrote,
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POLITICS: Tolerance and T-shirts

A student conducted an interesting experiment about tolerance, using two t-shirts. It did not go well.
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I have seen several conservative blogs highlight this piece as a prime example of how liberals are intolerant, hypocritical bastards. I wish somebody had done the same experience in a deeply conservative area. I'm sure the results would have been quite opposite. Doing such a thing in a severely lopsided demographic (it was Chicago, after all) pretty much guarantees a majority of the people to have one opinion that is more-or-less the same. (At least in that subject matter)
I think the difference is that conservatives don't make tolerance one of their platform planks. If you make tolerance and open-mindedness "your" virtues, it doesn't matter if the other side doesn't display them: you absolutely can't, or they're no longer yours to tout. :)
This is a good point... though you're never, ever going to get a large group of people together who will completely abide by a single set of social conforms. (which is what tolerance would simply have to be)
Tolerance isn't about abiding by a single set of social anything. It's about letting people choose their own set, and not harrassing or harming them for doing so. You don't have to like it, you just have to stay out of their way and let them exercise their freedoms, as long as that doesn't harm nonconsenting bystanders. America actually does a pretty good job of tolerance compared with a lot of other countries where people routinely kill each other over political or other differences. We're not in the forefront anymore, though; I'd like to get that back.
See, I think that in and of itself is a "single set". Agreeing to "agree to disagree", if you will. And threats - such as I think were explicitly made to the girl ("you should be dead", to me, is a threat) - do harm.

On the whole though, I agree, America is pretty tolerant.
Tolerance isn't about abiding by a single set of social anything. It's about letting people choose their own set, and not harrassing or harming them for doing so. You don't have to like it, you just have to stay out of their way and let them exercise their freedoms, as long as that doesn't harm nonconsenting bystanders. America actually does a pretty good job of tolerance compared with a lot of other countries where people routinely kill each other over political or other differences. We're not in the forefront anymore, though; I'd like to get that back.
I think you're right. If you say that you support freedom of speech and freedom of choice and tolerance, then you pick on people who express ideas you disagree with, that's hypocritical. It makes people wonder what else you're lying about, and it undermines your effectiveness. (The same is true of pro-lifers who sneak their pregnant teens out for an abortion.) I don't think it's a matter of absolutes as much as a trend, however -- one or two nasty liberals could be dismissed as statistical variation. (No group will ever be perfectly homogenous.) What disturbs me is the consistency of response: a large number of apparent liberals behaved in a conspicuously intolerant manner, and nobody spoke out against it. I may not like the conservative platform, but that doesn't incline me to take away other people's right to choose it. The democratic process must swing free or it is a sham.
You remember my experience at WisCon?

Same thing.
Vividly. That was the first nail in the coffin for my interest in WisCon. The next time I went, I specifically checked the tolerance atmosphere, compared it to previous levels, and noted the precipitous drop. It's gone up and down a bit over the years, but has yet to approach my first couple experiences of WisCon as a businessy-but-freewheeling convention. I really don't like spending time with stuffy people, and my partner doesn't find that con very appealing. So I'm much less inclined to go back, even though it remains my most effective networking con.
This is a pattern I have observed... so I figured I would call it out. You can say 'this is about 8th graders being obnoxious', but I've seen it in adults also, and more than once.

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