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Poetry Fishbowl Report for July 5, 2016 - The Wordsmith's Forge — LiveJournal
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Poetry Fishbowl Report for July 5, 2016
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ysabetwordsmith From: ysabetwordsmith Date: July 31st, 2016 07:32 pm (UTC) (Link)

Re: Nonbinary person waves "hi"

>> Indeed. It's the "map vs. territory" distinction again. We each are using maps that suit us while we cringe at the crumpled, outdated maps that have been handed out to people trying to navigate the territory defining these things and wondering why there's not even a line around the different identities where the map shows a wall. <<

Yyyyeah. That's frustrating for everyone. Using the wrong pronouns to someone's face is grating. Telling other people that someone is a boy when she's a girl (or whatever) can be life-wrecking.

>> To anyone who's following this thread, we're sharing our maps with you, inviting you to draw your own, and providing some information you can put on it to help you navigate the unfamiliar parts of the territory. <<

Sooth. It helps to have a map. Not everyone is capable of advanced cartography.

>> My map, so to speak and as much as possible, is the most recent online version of "A Field Guide to Gender Identities." I find it valuable because the content is generated by the folks who assert the various identities, and compiled by folks who realize why that's important, and care about it. <<

:D I think mine would be "So You Want to Hang Out with Aliens."

>>I like "off" the line a little better, because there's less of an implicit value judgement in that term."

I was looking for something like that and didn't think of it at the time. Yes, there will be clusters above and below the line usually.

>>Indeed. These are also representative patterns. There are lots more, too, but I was aiming to not swamp the message with a necessarily incomplete catalog in a response that was already getting substantial.<<

Do the basics first, then iterate from there. I just came in at the iterate phase, after you filled in the baseline.

>>"Pretending to be" something is Doing; actually *being* someone is Being. Having to Do instead of being able to Be can wreck anyone. It's the times I get to Be that get me through the times when all I'm able to do is Do. The times of Being are vital self-care for me.<<

Well said.

Why I worry about Cal is that she takes time away from Being a woman to Do a man. It's hard enough to learn a whole new gender role without shortchanging your study time, a fact that has been lamented by many transfolk who for various reasons could not transition all at once and had to split time en femme and en homme. For some that's comfortable, for others not. Though I do think one of Vagary's few benefits is his blithe acceptance of Calliope as a woman. Transfolk need people who see them for who they really are.
ng_moonmoth From: ng_moonmoth Date: August 1st, 2016 05:28 am (UTC) (Link)

Re: Nonbinary person waves "hi"

>> It helps to have a map. Not everyone is capable of advanced cartography. <<

One nice thing is that many of those who are are busy putting theirs out where people who'd like a better map than they can draw themselves can pick one up. It's not yet where I'd like it to be, where someone who realizes they need a map can find one that suits them best, but it's moving in that direction. And when I see someone who's struggling to find their way, map or no map, I like to offer to help.

>> Yes, there will be clusters above and below the line usually. <<

And sometimes the line isn't horizontal, or even much of a line. Sort of like the islands in many large rivers forming governmental boundaries, where which "side" they are on can be constantly open to interpretation.

>> Do the basics first, then iterate from there. I just came in at the iterate phase, after you filled in the baseline. <<

That worked fine in context, and is a good point.
ysabetwordsmith From: ysabetwordsmith Date: August 1st, 2016 06:30 pm (UTC) (Link)

Re: Nonbinary person waves "hi"

>> One nice thing is that many of those who are are busy putting theirs out where people who'd like a better map than they can draw themselves can pick one up. It's not yet where I'd like it to be, where someone who realizes they need a map can find one that suits them best, but it's moving in that direction. And when I see someone who's struggling to find their way, map or no map, I like to offer to help. <<

Maps and menus and momentum, oh my! :D

>> And sometimes the line isn't horizontal, or even much of a line. Sort of like the islands in many large rivers forming governmental boundaries, where which "side" they are on can be constantly open to interpretation. <<

That's true. Gender is complicated.

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