Elizabeth Barrette (ysabetwordsmith) wrote,
Elizabeth Barrette
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On Captain America

I was appalled, but not surprised, by Marvel's recent storyline that Captain America is Hydra.  Yes, they're really paddling that douchecanoe for all it's worth.  I am pleased to find a post by a Jewish writer, who speaks with more cultural right than I could, explaining why this is so very wrong. 

It's not just about the current fetish for brutalizing and/or distorting heroic figures, this persistent desire to destroy all that is good and hopeful in the world, to convince everyone that they can't have  heroes.  It's that this twist hurts living people  as well as mocking the dead.  That is not okay.

Art is power.  You use it responsibly, because if you don't, you're a bully.

I really hope, in some just and well-deserved afterlife, the people who perpetrated this meet with Steve Rogers so can ... explain ... a few things to them.
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siliconshaman

May 30 2016, 10:32:11 UTC 5 years ago Edited:  May 30 2016, 15:52:12 UTC

Fan theory is that Steve Rogers isn't Hydra, never was... he's being mind-controlled by red skull to make him think he was Hydra all along.

There's actually evidence to support this, apparently, but unless you're fan, it's not going to mean much.

Still doesn't negate what a dick move this was.

Edit:
Perlmutter's [Marvel CEO] response to criticism of the move. "Who cares what a bunch of basement dwelling nerds thinks?"

that there, explains a lot.
I agree with the author that this is an obvious fakeout. I also agree that this fact adds insult to injury. They might as well have said, "Bite me, k*k* -- oh, I was just kidding, don't be so sensitive."

Some people really need a punch in the face. With a shield.

Re: Yes...

siliconshaman

5 years ago

Re: Yes...

ysabetwordsmith

5 years ago

>> Fan theory is that Steve Rogers isn't Hydra, never was... he's being mind-controlled by red skull to make him think he was Hydra all along. <<

Well, duh, it's a fakeout. That doesn't make it okay.

>> Edit:
Perlmutter's [Marvel CEO] response to criticism of the move. "Who cares what a bunch of basement dwelling nerds thinks?"

that there, explains a lot. <<

How about all the people doing EFA for the crying fans?

Seriously, if you think it's okay to hurt people to make a buck, and you don't care about hurting your customers, you should get some other job that does not involve heroes.
Wait, did he actually say that? In those words?

siliconshaman

5 years ago

conuly

5 years ago

siliconshaman

5 years ago

Yes...

ysabetwordsmith

5 years ago

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siliconshaman

5 years ago

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ysabetwordsmith

5 years ago

conuly

5 years ago

Yes...

ysabetwordsmith

5 years ago

siliconshaman

5 years ago

Yes...

ysabetwordsmith

5 years ago

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siliconshaman

5 years ago

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ysabetwordsmith

5 years ago

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siliconshaman

5 years ago

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ysabetwordsmith

5 years ago

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siliconshaman

5 years ago

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ysabetwordsmith

5 years ago

Yes...

ysabetwordsmith

5 years ago

Well...

ysabetwordsmith

5 years ago

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siliconshaman

5 years ago

Someone on Tumblr said that the only possible way to redeem this storyline is to have an appalled Bucky Barnes seek out Deadpool, team up with him, jump out of the pages of the comic, kill all the writers with swords, and rescue the real Steve Rogers.
I like this.
I'd help... although one has to remember that the story-lines are often not the writers idea, that comes from corporate HQ as handed down by the Editors.

Basically, they get told "Ok, we need a twist to boost sales. Let's make Stevie Rogers be a Hydra guy all along. How? Eh, you figure it out, that's what we pay you for."
If your boss asks you to hurt people for money, and you are not a villain, you say NO. Ethical issues aren't just for people who work in quality control. They can happen in ANY job.

"Just following orders" does not make it okay to hurt people.

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siliconshaman

5 years ago

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ysabetwordsmith

5 years ago

Write it! Write it!

Perhaps the only worthwhile thing about this will be the fanfic ass-whipping those guys are about to get.

You know what else would be awesome? If the next time any of those pencildicks do a panel or a signing, and the entire audience consists of people in Cap costumes, arms crossed, glaring silently at them the whole time. Few things are as ball-shrinking as a cold audience.
LOL! I love the staring Caps idea! :-)
I remember back on a LJ fandom cross-over community we had a troll who kept posting pictures of dead cats, and lj support refused to do anything.

A large percentage of the community vowed to keep posting replies to any of his comments with *stares* and a cat icon... and nothing else.

He had a major league online melt-down 'yelling' at us to quit it and stop doing that...and flounced off never to be seen again after a week of it.

Silent judgemental stares can be immensely powerful.

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ysabetwordsmith

5 years ago

I have a countermeme.

Nick Spencer (the daeshnozzle who penned this abomination) is Hydra.

Now, that doesn't mean kill him. Oh, no, His Blackness showed us better than that; we let him live.

But the name "Nick Spencer" should never make another dime of income. Not for writIng comics or flipping burgers.

This doesn't kill Nick Spencer the human. Pseudonyms happen all the time in publishing. But it does rub his face in what he did, and force him to re-invent himself from scratch. The experience will be *memorable*.

And maybe, just maybe, he might learn a lesson.

Though I do like a previous idea, but I want a twist on it.

Nick Spencer, in a fit of anguish, jumps off the Empire State Building. He arrives in the afterlife to discover that it's MCU. The Avengers are there to greet him. Cap is livid, but Tony says, "No, Cap, you won't like yourself if you do that." Cap is so stunned by Tony's display of personal integrity that he deflates.... at which point Tony steps between them and punches Nick in his perfect teeth, sending him flying several yards.

"But I will," says Tony, reverting to character.
>> I have a countermeme.

Nick Spencer (the daeshnozzle who penned this abomination) is Hydra. <<

Hardly a surprise. He's following their rules, after all: that there are no heroes, and it's okay to hurt people to get what you want.

>> Now, that doesn't mean kill him. Oh, no, His Blackness showed us better than that; we let him live.

But the name "Nick Spencer" should never make another dime of income. Not for writIng comics or flipping burgers.

This doesn't kill Nick Spencer the human. Pseudonyms happen all the time in publishing. But it does rub his face in what he did, and force him to re-invent himself from scratch. The experience will be *memorable*. <<

\o/ Persona dissolution is becoming a popular -- and effective -- form of justice in Terramagne. I really want to show how that plays out with the Spectrum.

>> And maybe, just maybe, he might learn a lesson. <<

If only.

>>Nick Spencer, in a fit of anguish, jumps off the Empire State Building. He arrives in the afterlife to discover that it's MCU. The Avengers are there to greet him. Cap is livid, but Tony says, "No, Cap, you won't like yourself if you do that." Cap is so stunned by Tony's display of personal integrity that he deflates.... at which point Tony steps between them and punches Nick in his perfect teeth, sending him flying several yards.

"But I will," says Tony, reverting to character.<<

:D If the problem you have is a nail, use a hammer.
I have a countermeme.

Nick Spencer (the daeshnozzle who penned this abomination) is Hydra.

Now, that doesn't mean kill him. Oh, no, His Blackness showed us better than that; we let him live.

But the name "Nick Spencer" should never make another dime of income. Not for writIng comics or flipping burgers.

This doesn't kill Nick Spencer the human. Pseudonyms happen all the time in publishing. But it does rub his face in what he did, and force him to re-invent himself from scratch. The experience will be *memorable*.

And maybe, just maybe, he might learn a lesson.

Though I do like a previous idea, but I want a twist on it.

Nick Spencer, in a fit of anguish, jumps off the Empire State Building. He arrives in the afterlife to discover that it's MCU. The Avengers are there to greet him. Cap is livid, but Tony says, "No, Cap, you won't like yourself if you do that." Cap is so stunned by Tony's display of personal integrity that he deflates.... at which point Tony steps between them and punches Nick in his perfect teeth, sending him flying several yards.

"But I will," says Tony, reverting to character.
I have a countermeme.

Nick Spencer (the daeshnozzle who penned this abomination) is Hydra.

Now, that doesn't mean kill him. Oh, no, His Blackness showed us better than that; we let him live.

But the name "Nick Spencer" should never make another dime of income. Not for writIng comics or flipping burgers.

This doesn't kill Nick Spencer the human. Pseudonyms happen all the time in publishing. But it does rub his face in what he did, and force him to re-invent himself from scratch. The experience will be *memorable*.

And maybe, just maybe, he might learn a lesson.

Though I do like a previous idea, but I want a twist on it.

Nick Spencer, in a fit of anguish, jumps off the Empire State Building. He arrives in the afterlife to discover that it's MCU. The Avengers are there to greet him. Cap is livid, but Tony says, "No, Cap, you won't like yourself if you do that." Cap is so stunned by Tony's display of personal integrity that he deflates.... at which point Tony steps between them and punches Nick in his perfect teeth, sending him flying several yards.

"But I will," says Tony, reverting to character.

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