Elizabeth Barrette (ysabetwordsmith) wrote,
Elizabeth Barrette
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Alien Sun?

This star's light is interrupted by something.  A suggestion in the article is that this could be a cloud of solar collectors or other manufactured gear made by aliens.  I can come up with other ideas.  

One is that the star may naturally not be putting out the usual smooth amount of light, which seems unlikely.  It could be a very rare phenomenon, but stars have behaved in pretty predictable clusters of light emission.

Perhaps slightly more plausible than aliens is that a large rogue planet collided with a local one and created a debris cloud. Enormously rare, but there are lots of stars and junk out there.

More depressingly, this also matches the kind of "gunsmoke" cloud you get when someone uses planetbuster bombs to reduce a solar system to rubble.  (A sunkiller bomb is also a possibility but unlikely because most of those work fairly fast.)  This is particularly a concern because one reason for the Drake Equation yielding a sum of zero detections is if L is a very short timespan -- to wit, aliens share the human tendency to blow themselves up.

Other ideas?
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I'm hopeful that it's a massive alien solar power collecting array as they are enroute to creating a Dyson sphere. ;)
I thought about Dyson spheres, but they're generally described as a solid structure. I had not considered a Dyson sphere in progress.

*ponder* If the star's visual signature should happen to change as we watch, getting rapidly darker, I would consider that support of this hypothesis.
It might be useful to investigate whether the pattern is symmetrical, indicating a stable orbit of balanced entities. If it's a rotating mega-object, then a mass on one side of the sun should be balanced by one on the other.

Not that I know anything about star-scale engineering, but it's what comes to mind!
>> It might be useful to investigate whether the pattern is symmetrical, indicating a stable orbit of balanced entities. If it's a rotating mega-object, then a mass on one side of the sun should be balanced by one on the other. <<

That is an excellent idea. In fact, any organized structure would be more likely manufactured than natural. Nature can produce order, but the types of natural occurrence likely to cloud a star are unlikely to be orderly ones.

>> Not that I know anything about star-scale engineering, but it's what comes to mind! <<

I actually do remember a good deal of that, which is terrific for knowing what to look for. Methods of building a Dyson sphere that would be relevant to this context:

* Unbalanced patch build. You build starting from one point in a large segment, which is great for materials management, but you pretty much need gravitic technology to keep it stabilized in progress. Usually seen only in late-stage cultures.

* Balanced patch build. You assemble large sections opposite each other and connect them once you have enough. Basically what you described. Very popular.

* Lattice build. You create a framework and gradually fill in sections. Requires the least extra tech, and is awesomely cost-effective because you can do a staged build. The drawback is you have to make the whole damn lattice before you can install more than crew quarters. The favored option of patient yet precocious cultures.
Either way, must be fun being one of the astronomers who get to investigate it. ^_^

What Would You Do If You Were President, if it turned out to be in some way clearly artificial? Send a signal or probe? It's 1500 lightyears away, so a manned expedition wouldn't report back in a timely fashion.
Well, if they're making a lattice build, I'd want to say howdy and by the way, we admire your infrastructure. A single-patch? I'd wait for more data.
Well, at that distance we're seeing 1500 years-old data. So, my two cents, if we're seeing them 'shelling up'...

Could there be a reason they're doing this? Is the reason that we haven't heard from other civilizations that they're all either holing up in their own spheres or dead due to some unknown agency? It'd inspire me to redouble our national efforts to get actively into space... Sending a probe makes sense but only as the capstone of a general space initiative toward being able to deploy our own sphere.

I'd say we need more sensitive space telescopes to be able to analyze what they're building... Maybe there's a clue about why they haven't sent colonizers outward.

Or they may have sent colony ships out already, and this is just the next stage of their home solar system efforts. Either way, hard to do much from at the bottom of the gravity well!
As long as the message you get back isn't "Shhh... they'll hear you!"
O_O

That would be scary.

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siliconshaman

5 years ago

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ysabetwordsmith

5 years ago

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siliconshaman

5 years ago

The surface area of even a lattice is impressively large. If you start soon enough, there shouldn't be any difficulty in keeping up with either population growth or energy consumption.
Oh, there's plenty of room. It's just very easy to throw the thing out of whack by building more than the frame, until the frame is stable. You can put the crew quarters at the joints, scattered around the frame.

Re: Hmm...

ng_moonmoth

October 14 2015, 21:36:31 UTC 5 years ago Edited:  October 14 2015, 21:36:55 UTC

>> I thought about Dyson spheres, but they're generally described as a solid structure. <<

Only by people who haven't bothered to read what Dyson himself wrote about it. Not to mention several items of classical mechanics well within the reach of anyone who's ever taken a college physics course. The Wikipedia article has a very readable summary of why a solid structure is a solar-system-wide disaster waiting to happen.
Most people don't read that stuff, even people who really should. Which is what leads directly to crowds of engineering students chanting, "Ringworld isn't stable!"

To which Niven always replies "That's why it has attitude jets!"
Except the MIT students were first. He didn't realize it when he wrote Ringworld; the attitude jets are a retrofix introduced in, I think, Ringworld Engineers.

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siliconshaman

5 years ago

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thnidu

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ysabetwordsmith

5 years ago

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