Also this is the point where Italy and Greece should take the offer or else STFU about not wanting refugees on their turf. Especially Greece, with a very plausible exchange of selling an island, addressing the refugee problem, and getting a little boost and maybe some advice on fixing their mangled economy.
Give the Refugees an Island
Also this is the point where Italy and Greece should take the offer or else STFU about not wanting refugees on their turf. Especially Greece, with a very plausible exchange of selling an island, addressing the refugee problem, and getting a little boost and maybe some advice on fixing their mangled economy.
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September 7 2015, 03:36:51 UTC 5 years ago
Well...
September 7 2015, 03:50:43 UTC 5 years ago
People elsewhere could just say, "Sure, come live here instead of with the crazy people," and eventually the ravaged lands would just empty out except for the lunatics.
Other countries could step in and stop the carnage, which has occasionally worked, but usually interfering in other people's business doesn't end well.
Sanctions and other less-violent solutions are unlikely to work on combatants who aren't exactly being very rational.
Democracy might help, but hell, look at America. It's kind of a wreck. Some other countries have had great luck with it, others not so much. The best ones right now are socialists! What the Middle East needs is sane healthy leadership. The exact format is more open to debate.
Re: Well...
September 7 2015, 04:35:20 UTC 5 years ago
Democracy would help. The thing is they've been asking for democracy for years and the rest of the world is like "nope."
Re: Well...
September 7 2015, 09:16:23 UTC 5 years ago
That is extremely true. The main (if not only) reason there are so many extremists and so much unrest in the middle east is the constant meddling by other powers. Iran's democratic government was deposed by foreign forces (the CIA, I think) and replaced by extremists, Iraq only exists because of British invaders forcing three majorly different ethnic groups together under one flag and only stayed together because of Hussein's brutal dictatorship (Iraq probably won't exist in 10 or 15 years, it will have broken into at least three different countries), Palestinian land was stolen by outside invaders to make Israel and the Israelis just keeps murdering the Palestinians and taking more and more of their land, the USSR trained and armed the Taliban, the US trained and armed ISIS, I'm sure British colonialism has something to do with why India and Pakistan hate each other so much, and there's probably a lot more I'm either forgetting or not aware of yet.
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5 years ago
September 7 2015, 07:56:25 UTC 5 years ago
Well...
September 7 2015, 08:02:15 UTC 5 years ago
Crucially, the donor wants the refugees to build their own homes. Involving people in their own neighborhood drastically raises the chance of success. Just as one example, they would presumably choose a layout and house designs pleasing to Syrian people. This is not necessarily easy to find anywhere else, but on their own island, they would be free to meet their own tastes and needs in housing. It works much better than a top-down solution.
September 7 2015, 09:19:48 UTC 5 years ago
September 7 2015, 16:46:29 UTC 5 years ago
Human reactions to overcrowding are more subtle than those of farm animals, but not really different.
September 7 2015, 16:51:32 UTC 5 years ago
Well...
September 7 2015, 20:01:32 UTC 5 years ago
Yes, slums happen. It is bad when they happen. But if we believe they necessarily happen then we abdicate responsibility for them, and close the door to other options.
What I think gives this proposal potential is that the donor is talking about putting people in charge of their own facilities. If it plays out that way, I think the results will be much better than if someone else is in charge of that. When dealing with trauma survivors, one of the most vital ways to help is restoring their agency, and another is giving them resources to solve their own problems. To make it work even better, I'd keep an eye on the practical parts -- "Okay, here's your island and your current budget. Do you have any architects in this group? Anyone who worked in civic support like sewers or plumbing? If you're missing any major work types who need to consult on this, we can fill in gaps from European volunteers, or you can try to attract others of your people who are staying elsewhere."
I think this is a skill we're going to need sadly often in the future. It's not a new idea. The Republic of the Maldives is already working on a resettlement fund and scoping out islands and other properties, understanding that their island nation will almost certainly be flooded within the next century or two. There's another island up in Alaska that's washing away. This kind of habitat foreclosure is typical of climate change. (I would therefore advise choosing a tall Mediterranean island for this project.) If we can learn how to move people in groups and resettle them as a cohesive society, that's less damaging than scattering them far and wide.
Plus it's good practice for settling colonies on other worlds. Our local history with colonies ... has, uh, sucked a lot. Hopefully we could do better, here's a chance to practice, let's do that. Hm, maybe we should see if NASA or other space programs have any good ideas that the refugees might find helpful. We could test out various technology for pop-up, extruded, and other prefab housing -- definitely an improvement over tents or shanties while the permanent buildings are under construction.
September 7 2015, 16:06:40 UTC 5 years ago
Of course somewhere down the road there might be the issue of taxation. For example, if Greece sold him an island, there might be the expectation that the refugees wold pay taxes to the Grecian government, whereas this billionaire might anticipate, having 'declared independence', that it's his own private island nation.
Well...
September 7 2015, 20:07:59 UTC 5 years ago
You want to settle on a Greek island? Here's the price for a private island in Greece. Here are the laws and tax code of Greece. Now Greece has a bunch of new people with seed money to get them started. Yay!
You want your own island as a free nationality? That's going to cost a LOT more. Greece now has a ginormous chunk of money to help shore up its damaged economy, and has a new neighbor hopefully fond of Greece for providing a homeland.
It depends on what people are willing to charge/pay and what they want.
September 7 2015, 16:51:04 UTC 5 years ago
September 7 2015, 16:54:08 UTC 5 years ago
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2015/09/06/heres-the-contract-the-islamic-state-group-is-forcing-christians-to-sign-in-syria/?
(Trigger alert: it's The Blaze, so you *know* the presentation will be inflammatory and some of the comments will be just plain hateful.)
September 7 2015, 23:56:06 UTC 5 years ago
The island is now sometimes known as "the Shame," which should give you a clue as to how it ended up. Around 1911, the denizens were evicted, made homeless, or (if they tried to stay) institutionalized under dubious circumstances and/or castrated.
So yeah. A nice idea, but seeing as it'd be the refugees moved, rather than the bigotry, I have a hard time imagining it ending well for them.
--Rogan