I actually use that rule myself, again with a different threshold. I've had people call me Amish, meaning it as an insult, for not using things they think I should be using that I don't use because they're worthless or troublesome for me. I say, "No, but that is where I got the idea." It's a great rule. It saves so many headaches. I'm neophilic in many ways. But I've seen society make a lot of stupid mistakes, and its safety precautions are abysmal. This contributes to my caution about adopting new things myself. I look for the drawbacks.
Most people don't. Their default is to accept new technology. They often don't consider the costs.
September 13 2014, 07:20:14 UTC 6 years ago
As an aside, I once went a friend's party in PA, with his house on the edge of a piece of Amish farmland. The farmer was plowing his fields with the traditional horse team.... and a small gas motor turning the blades of the plow
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September 13 2014, 07:42:47 UTC 6 years ago
September 13 2014, 09:46:47 UTC 6 years ago
What I'd be really interested now is an as-unbiased-as-can-be study comparing electrical and pneumatic appliances/tools/machinery.
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September 13 2014, 09:54:19 UTC 6 years ago
September 13 2014, 19:01:33 UTC 6 years ago
Brick Nokias FOREVER. You can hit those things with a truck and they'll still keep working.
--Rogan
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September 13 2014, 19:47:00 UTC 6 years ago
September 13 2014, 11:44:07 UTC 6 years ago
And this does not even aim at elder humans...
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September 13 2014, 19:17:23 UTC 6 years ago
This is one reason I don't watch TV anymore. My standard for a user-friendly TV is to push one button to turn it on, and twist one dial to see what's playing. I do not like TV enough to invest any more energy than that. So at this point, we watch one DVD episode of something a night, and that's because someone else works the equipment. I don't care enough about it to do it myself.
Further consider that the more complex things become, the easier they break and the harder they are to repair. Since America is rapidly getting poorer, this also undermines the market for and use of fancy gadgets. But it's not something people track; they're only watching the part of the economy that chases the the newest release trying to keep up with the Gateses. And then they wonder why it's so sluggish.
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September 13 2014, 20:43:51 UTC 6 years ago
The thing my mind perhaps will consider about this is: First, how much is the cost? And second, can it spy me?
You know, lots of people run around with this stuff, lots of people have this stuff in their living room, but if you see how much it is, you shake your head and wonder which kind of contract with the devil do they have to be able to afford all this. For the cell-phones the trick is easy - have it with a contract. There simply is no other way.
But for the TVs, for the home electronics - a few hundred Euros and some people need to live on that. And it's not like only those people afford this to themselves which have an income which easily covers that. (If this would be the case, a lot more still would need to use their old tube tv.)
To me in my rational mind, the sum of what I get and the sum of what I have to give don't have a match.
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September 13 2014, 20:52:13 UTC 6 years ago
Often true.
>> The thing my mind perhaps will consider about this is: First, how much is the cost? And second, can it spy me? <<
I resent spyware. I avoid it as much as possible, no matter how shiny the bait it is attached to. I also resent nagware. Screens that threaten criminal penalties for using the product in unapproved ways just make me want to not use the product. Fuck it, I have books that don't say mean things to me, I have gardens, I have crowdfunding full of people who are actually fun to be around. I don't need this shit.
>> And it's not like only those people afford this to themselves which have an income which easily covers that. <<
It's a price people are charged for participating in society, though. More places are forcing people to be on the grid even if they don't want to be. To have a job -- to survive -- you have to have a home, a phone, usually a car, etc. And there's a very disturbing trend away from things you buy once and own, to things you have to pay for all the time and only borrow because they're really controlled by someone else. That's not only abusive, it also runs up the base budget at a time when people's real spending power is plummeting.
Horsepower is self-replicating. You don't go out to the barn and find a baby tractor one morning. Open-pollinated crops are self-replicating. GMOs and hybrids are either designed not to reproduce, or the company will hunt you down for saving the seeds. They want to force farmers to keep buying their shit. People don't want to buy their shit, so they're working to make alternatives unavailable or outright illegal. It's a problem.
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September 13 2014, 21:43:00 UTC 6 years ago
Before I start trying to impress anyone, I've got to ensure that electricity is running, that I know how to warm the room when it's winter outside, that I have clean water access and that I don't starve.
I don't know if it is the way, but it seems like people already take this a bit too self-evidently. That's why they have such switched priorities.
September 13 2014, 11:55:58 UTC 6 years ago
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September 13 2014, 19:03:06 UTC 6 years ago
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September 13 2014, 20:39:01 UTC 6 years ago
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September 14 2014, 03:56:08 UTC 6 years ago
So they set up the new colony without any tronics whatsoever 'cept a few inside a Faraday-caged bunker. And a group of Mennonites to show people how to run the "ancient" tech they *were* using.
It was a good story. :)
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6 years ago