Bonus, these programs are addressed to modern mainstream veterans. Previously the only similar thing I knew about was that Native American shamans had some great results with their traditional methods, but they tend not to share those with wasicu veterans unless somebody has a tribal contact.
Other stories about characters with PTSD can help too. You have to find one the person can resonate with. Tolkien's work is particularly popular because it does such a good job of describing the problems Bilbo and Frodo have after bearing the Ring of Doom, contrasted with Sam, Merry, and Pippin who come home more whole and are able to recover. I mean you could sit with the books and a symptom checklist and diagnose poor Frodo, he is that fried. Sometimes it's just nice to know you're not alone.
May 25 2014, 01:23:40 UTC 7 years ago
Yes...
May 25 2014, 01:39:03 UTC 7 years ago
Re: Yes...
May 25 2014, 01:55:15 UTC 7 years ago
May 25 2014, 02:08:02 UTC 7 years ago
Yes...
May 25 2014, 02:11:15 UTC 7 years ago
Mine, gosh, there are a lot of them. Path of the Paladins and Tripping into the Future have it as a series-wide theme.
May 25 2014, 04:22:02 UTC 7 years ago
Thank you!
May 25 2014, 04:26:04 UTC 7 years ago
May 25 2014, 18:03:12 UTC 7 years ago
More than one warrior I know has taken up the keyboard and written his own story.... You have a copy of one such volume. However, I see the value in the old plays... it tells our present-day veterans "hey, this is not new, it's been going on for thousands of years, it's not just you, and it's nothing to be ashamed of."
When my grandfather's unit was mustered out, they put him on a troopship with his buddies. It took them a couple of weeks to get home. During that time they had time to decompress, to be in a controlled, safe environment with people who had Been There and Done That and Understood the horrors .... not just of Normandy, which despite the chaos wasn't as bad as it could be for the Airborne corps of which he was a part, but of Bastogne, which *didn't*...
I never heard anyone say that Grandpa had any problems after that voyage home. He never *spoke* of Bastogne to *anyone*; the only way we knew he was there was the presence of a second oak leaf on the Presidential Unit Citation ribbon in his effects; history records that only two were given to 506th PIR, and that one had to be with the unit in question at the time for which the citation is given.
I can't say as I blame him for not sharing with us. I am grateful he got the time to share with his buddies, and process it.
Perhaps these ... oooooh. I remember a term from my study of classic plays: catharsis. This is the entire point of many of these plays, to evoke that feeling of "there but for the gods go I" in the audience. I also remember that Seneca wrote that the *best* achievement of catharsis was when the hero was aware of what he was doing, goes right to the brink of committing horror... and stops.
I get it now. Not only has PTSD been going on for thousands of years, but the writing of myths to help the people cope, *deliberately* evoking emotion and relief.... has been going on for thousands of years.
This... is just kickin' it *old school*.
Thoughts
May 25 2014, 19:15:35 UTC 7 years ago
The two things serve different purposes. Individual memoirs are about witnessing and remembering; they're written mostly by people who are not professional writers. Plays, stories, and other literature are about personal and cultural processing; they're written mostly by professional entertainers who know how to take the personal and make it speak to the masses.
>> When my grandfather's unit was mustered out, they put him on a troopship with his buddies. It took them a couple of weeks to get home. During that time they had time to decompress, to be in a controlled, safe environment with people who had Been There and Done That and Understood the horrors .... not just of Normandy, which despite the chaos wasn't as bad as it could be for the Airborne corps of which he was a part, but of Bastogne, which *didn't*... <<
That was probably a lot more useful than the "exit counseling" some soldiers get now. People need time not just to decompress from what has happened, but to reconfigure themselves for what will happen when they return to civilian life.
>> I never heard anyone say that Grandpa had any problems after that voyage home. He never *spoke* of Bastogne to *anyone*; the only way we knew he was there was the presence of a second oak leaf on the Presidential Unit Citation ribbon in his effects; history records that only two were given to 506th PIR, and that one had to be with the unit in question at the time for which the citation is given. <<
Wow. *salute*
>> I can't say as I blame him for not sharing with us. I am grateful he got the time to share with his buddies, and process it. <<
Sooth.
>> Perhaps these ... oooooh. I remember a term from my study of classic plays: catharsis. This is the entire point of many of these plays, to evoke that feeling of "there but for the gods go I" in the audience. <<
Yes, most of the Greco-Roman stuff was like that.
>> I also remember that Seneca wrote that the *best* achievement of catharsis was when the hero was aware of what he was doing, goes right to the brink of committing horror... and stops. <<
Fascinating! I must remember that. It touches on something I want to explore with Damask later.
>> I get it now. Not only has PTSD been going on for thousands of years, but the writing of myths to help the people cope, *deliberately* evoking emotion and relief.... has been going on for thousands of years.
This... is just kickin' it *old school*. <<
Yea, verily. That's why I wanted to boost the signal on this.
May 25 2014, 21:08:07 UTC 7 years ago Edited: May 25 2014, 21:08:37 UTC
Yes...
May 25 2014, 21:19:43 UTC 7 years ago
Those are the best known, most common causes so it is often possible to collect enough people for a support group. More recently awareness has been rising for complex PTSD from school or workplace bullying, and acute PTSD from things like traffic accidents or tornadoes.
>> I don't even know if they would help me if I called after a triggered incident due to PTSD that exists for a different reason. Time to read this article, I think. <<
For PTSD of other causes, you can:
* Look for a generic PTSD support group. Ironically this is one area where small towns do better, because they may not have enough of any one group, meaning the veterans, battered spouses, and everyone else wind up together.
* Call the specific-cause group, tell them your cause, and ask if they know of support groups or counselors that are generic or have experience in your version. People who work with PTSD usually know who else is doing so and can make referrals based on client needs.
* Research online and print resources. Plenty has been written on PTSD and while much of it is targeted, a lot is generic. The targeted resources may touch on your cause if you look hard enough to find the right ones. Try searching "PTSD and (your cause)" to get matches.
May 26 2014, 02:06:15 UTC 7 years ago
And apparently the only cure is reconnection. So having someone sit there and talk AT you doesn't work. Small, separate groups too focused on the problem to talk about everyday things don't work. But finding friendships and having trustworthy friends DOES. Doing ordinary things with others DOES. Being able to know that someone is there when you're having a bad day DOES. Having someone you don't have to pretend at HELPS. (Saying "Oh, I'm just like you" when you're not is horrible to the suffering. Having to say it in order to get help is demeaning and makes the help itself less effective, even when an effective treatment is used.)
And isolated societies like the modern US (and Victorian Britain, and so on and so forth) are killing people like me, and every one of our warriors, because society at large doesn't care to connect with us as we are. Tribal societies don't do that so much, because every member of the tribe counts for something and can't really be discarded. So if someone who should be One with the group is feeling Other, society has to find a place for them or they lose that person. Societies of the Individualist Myth generally don't do that.
And if you don't help the disconnected reconnect, you lose them... often all the way to death.
Yes...
May 26 2014, 02:26:33 UTC 7 years ago
Yes, that can happen.
>> The more you Other and Enemy someone else, the more personal separation you acquire from yourself; unfortunately, this is necessary in order to protect oneself in dangerous situations. You can't go around trusting someone you know will hurt you. <<
Which is a problem throughout society, too.
>> And apparently the only cure is reconnection. <<
Not necessarily the only one, but certainly among the most direct and effective. Some tribes have had ceremonies for this purpose; basically they move their warriors out of and then back into everyday society.
>> So having someone sit there and talk AT you doesn't work. <<
That's a problem with any other condition characterized by isolation, such as depression and social anxiety. The clinical detachment mandated by the mental health care system makes it useless for some people and some complaints, and the monopoly makes it almost impossible to get any other kind of care.
>> Small, separate groups too focused on the problem to talk about everyday things don't work. But finding friendships and having trustworthy friends DOES. <<
Some people find support groups helpful for reconnection, others don't.
>> Doing ordinary things with others DOES. Being able to know that someone is there when you're having a bad day DOES. Having someone you don't have to pretend at HELPS. <<
Agreed.
>> And isolated societies like the modern US (and Victorian Britain, and so on and so forth) are killing people like me, and every one of our warriors, because society at large doesn't care to connect with us as we are. <<
Yes, that's true. And it's not okay to treat people like kleenex.