Elizabeth Barrette (ysabetwordsmith) wrote,
Elizabeth Barrette
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Superman vs. Hulk

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  • 5 comments
fayanora

fayanora

December 24 2013, 05:32:16 UTC 7 years ago

For some reason this got me thinking Lyria versus Superman. I little darkness spell, since he's solar powered, some kryptonite, and her bodyguard spirit Voluponek could rip him in half. Or she might install a device in his brain while he's down, that would give him just enough kryptonite to keep him weak. If any attempt is made to remove it, it explodes.

Lyria also has a plan for taking out a whole bunch of kryptonians at once: a kryptonite nuke.

But more likely she would study him to try to emulate his powers without any of his weaknesses.
natf

natf

December 25 2013, 23:34:34 UTC 7 years ago

My main reaction after, "cool cgi," is,"this would never happen because they are both on the side of good."
johnpalmer

johnpalmer

December 26 2013, 06:03:14 UTC 7 years ago

Well, canonically, the Hulk fights a lot of heroes due to that whole anger management problem. The biggest problem is that they live in different universes where different sorts of rules apply. Depending on the depiction, Superman was cosmically powered at times, able to do things far beyond anything possible among most superhumans in the Marvel universe - moving hundreds and hundreds of tons, diving into the sun (in the Golden Age, I believe this is how he cleaned his costume), and so forth.

The only thing that would avoid making it a cakewalk is the overlap of the unknown forces that make superhumans of that nature even possible. Once the two sets of forces are overlapping, presumably Superman would be more limited, and the Hulk less so.

(Another possibility would be if Loki "helpfully" lent Mjolnir to Superman. Superman might well be worthy to hold it, but it might well give him (only) the powers of Thor - and the Hulk vs. Thor is usually depicted as an even battle, the winner picked by the needs of the storyline.)

(Dear lord, I've regressed to my teens.)
ysabetwordsmith

Well...

ysabetwordsmith

December 26 2013, 06:07:03 UTC 7 years ago

You're forgetting a crucial element: Hulk has dynamic resilience. The more force exerted against him, the angrier he gets, and the stronger he gets. Superman has a much higher base level of power, but Hulk is indestructible (which has been tested many many times) and would soon wind up with a lot more power.

Doan hit de tar baby.
johnpalmer

Re: Well...

johnpalmer

December 26 2013, 18:48:19 UTC 7 years ago

No, I'm not forgetting that, simply pointing out that the Hulk has been defeated before, and that many depictions of Superman put him in a class that's simply outside of most of the Marvel characters, none of whom were ever depicted as being able to move celestial bodies through sheer physical power, for example.

This has long been a difference between DC and Marvel; for example, the Flash is able to run at light speed (which would lead to the nasty surprise of discovering that escape velocity is actually a *scalar* quantity - though, technically, there would have to be some force pushing down on him anyway, since the curvature of the earth leads to an average drop in ground level, and if he was running fast enough that gravity would not push him down quickly enough, he would end up airborne, with no purchase for his feet, putting an upper limit on his running speed - wait, where was I?)

Okay, right. If we were able to take the Hulk, and put him in the DC universe, and he didn't change in his abilities at all, many versions of Superman would be able to walk all over him, simply because he would be put down (or put into orbit) before he could get angry enough to reach Superman's power levels (though, of course, Superman's power levels varied as needed with the story line as well).

But if we assumed that the universal shift made the Hulk as he would be in the DC universe, then we'd have to assume that he was, in fact, probably weaker than Superman at base level (just as the Hulk is weaker than Thor or Hercules at his base levels) but would be stronger if enraged enough.

Conversely, the Hulk could handle Hyperion, who is a Superman-equivalent in the Marvel universe (check out the Squadron Supreme limited series for a quick chuckle at the obvious character theft, then stick around for an interesting storyline), so we could assume the same would happen if Superman were put through a universal shift that made him as if he had been created in the Marvel universe. Whereas if he came through fully powered, they'd probably run him up against other cosmically powered heroes like the Silver Surfer, or entities like Galactus.