Elizabeth Barrette (ysabetwordsmith) wrote,
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Depression and Diversity

Here's a brilliant post describing an experience of depression.

One part snagged my attention in terms of interaction.  Some people, if you tell them you have a problem, naturally try to think of solutions.  That's my default mode.  If you have a problem that I know anything about, you can ask me for that kind of help and I'll do my best.  I have another mode, acknowledgement.  That usually takes a bit of a nudge, like saying "Why doesn't anybody notice X?"  I'll say, "Okay, X."  If you need me to acknowledge that something is happening to you, I can generally do that.  This skill seems to be far less common, or at least people often try to find it and come up empty.  So now you know it's in my toolbox.  These are things I do for people, and it's not rare for them to say, "Wow, thanks, nobody else would do this for me."

That skill where somebody just sits and listens and says things like "I hear you" without doing anything particular about an issue?  I tend to suck at that.  If that's what you need, it is much easier to find someone who is better at it than to get even an adequate performance out of me.  It's like trying to shovel snow off a sidewalk with a mousetrap: totally the wrong tool for the job.

This is why we need diversity.  Because sometimes you need a problem-solver who won't freak just because the problem you're having is weird, and sometimes you need an observer who can see the elephant in the room that other people are ignoring or somehow overlooking, and sometimes you need a garbageman to hold the emotional bucket while you throw up all the stuff that's making you feel sick.  Different circumstances, different solutions.  If everyone is the same and has the same skills, you're screwed as soon as you need something else.  So it's important to cultivate diversity both on a personal and on a social level.
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Oddly, I have and can do all three of those things but I need to *know* which one is wanted. I tend to default to the Solution format as well; think it's a function partly of how I was raised.

Since I've acknowledged this Depression issue, I've become aware that I may do too much inserting of my own experience into a given situation, often meant as "well, here's how I handled it when something similar happened to me" which is a part of the Solution skill. But since I tend to react to that from others as if they're making it about them rather than about the current situation, I'm re-evaluate that reaction. And then I start to second-guess myself and wonder if my rejection issues and my insecurities aren't making my doubt my very gifts of empathy and ministerial counselling.

Ya know, it really ain't easy...this aging stuff.

But yes, diversity in skills sets is a wonderful thing. How's that for a long reply to a great post?
>>Oddly, I have and can do all three of those things but I need to *know* which one is wanted.<<

I do much better when people tell me what they want than when they just start talking and expect me to guess.

>>Since I've acknowledged this Depression issue, I've become aware that I may do too much inserting of my own experience into a given situation<<

One of the things I've learned is that different people respond to the same situation in very different ways. A solution that would work for me may not work for the other person, whereas something I find useless might do the trick for them. So I try to take into account their personality and worldview before suggesting possibilities.
That's a very good thought, indeed.
Brosh is brilliant at explaining brokenness. I think every doctor's office should have copies of this post available to hand out to families and friends of depressed people.

And they also should all have copies of the Brosh Revised Visual Pain Scale.
/agree
I *can* do the just-listening thing...but tend to do it only when I'm 90% convinced that the person has ONLY mood problems. I tend to focus on solving reality problems.
I will add that one thing which snaps my patience completely is someone who wants to whine about their problems but refuses to do anything to fix them, particularly when personal problems are spilling over into public space and becoming everyone's problems.
Totally. I understand venting, and after 30 years or so of *just* being the fix-it guy, I've learned to let people vent at me and give hugs and cups of tea and such like... to be able to do both well is quite the trick, to figure out *which* on the fly .... well, it took a LONG time. And sometimes I just up and *ask*.... "ok, first, are you asking me for a solution, or are you just venting?"

But yeah, there are a *lot* of people that are just one or just the other. And don't get me started on the differing mindsets of types of geeks... devs work all night, admins go the hell *home* at 5, QA types are a whole 'nother breed of cat, and then there are managers...

I love Heinlein, but when he said specialization was for insects? He was full of crap.

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>> I have not yet figured out how to do this in personal life without the person I'm talking to getting pissed off at me, because whether it's a listen situation or a do situation is something that you are apparently just supposed to know, and if you have to ask, apparently your reaction will be considered inauthentic. <<

There's a gap between "ask culture" and "hint culture." The hint people expect you to intuit the answer, and if you get it wrong, they get very huffy. They don't seem to understand that A) not everyone is good at that kind of interpretation, and B) their own accuracy isn't always as good as they think it is and that annoys other people too.

If people won't clarify their needs when I ask for more information, I figure they have no grounds to complain if I give them something other than the response they wanted.

>>On the other side, I also try to say "There isn't anything I want you to do for me, I am just venting" if that's the case. I hope I can save someone else some confusion by doing that.<<

I do that on the rare occasions when I just need someone to listen or to acknowledge. Most of the time, I want problem-solving. When it's simply a matter of managing emotions and there's nothing to be done about it, I almost always do better on my own than by involving other people.

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>>Anymore, tho, I tend to default to listening and acknowledging, because my social circle seems to be biased towards problem-solvers, so I've found a bit of a niche for myself in that role.<<

Oh, that's a good idea. There are some areas where I have multiple applicable skills, and I'll switch to the one least available.

>>I loved this article so much, fits so well with my own experiences as someone who's been down that hole and back up a few times. Some of the best, darkest humour I've seen in ages.<<

Yeah, "I am depressed; my emotional fish are dead" could be the next "I have no spoons to deal with that." Very useful.

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8 years ago

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Since we're on the topic in this post, here's a tumblr for Boggle the Owl, a cartoonish owl who offers love and helpful words for depressed people. Nothing's perfect, but this is at least something.
This is useful. I have linked it.
I follow that blog and found that post relevant.

However, there is at least one alternative personal view.

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