You want me to shut up because I have a vagina? Two words: hockey stick. Also, fuck you.
Why I Interrupt People
You want me to shut up because I have a vagina? Two words: hockey stick. Also, fuck you.
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Oh, this is something I have to be aware of EVERY day!
February 6 2013, 17:58:31 UTC 8 years ago
One of my favorite classes is the all-girls class. Nearly everyone speaks out, and has insightful things to say.
In my mixed gender classes, I have to call on girls specifically, and often stop boys from thundering over them. On occasions where the boy blurts anyway, I try to follow up with the girl. "Do you concur with Johnny's answer? Do you have anything to add or disagree with?" I try to show I am interested in her thoughts.
I've had boys say, "What Mary's trying to say is..." (like in the article) and I've had to say, "Let Mary tell me what she's thinking. Your paperwork does not indicate that you're a registered telepath. And even if you were, no invasion of her privacy."
It's so easy as a teacher to want to get the lesson done in the shortest amount of time, that if you don't watch it, you start relying on the blurters (usually male) and forget to draw out your deeper thinkers, both female and male.
Re: Oh, this is something I have to be aware of EVERY day!
February 6 2013, 20:29:26 UTC 8 years ago
Re: Oh, this is something I have to be aware of EVERY day!
February 6 2013, 20:40:24 UTC 8 years ago
Re: Oh, this is something I have to be aware of EVERY day!
February 6 2013, 23:58:43 UTC 8 years ago
But the thing is- it does WORK. The pushy people have a distinct cue when they have to shut up (and can be told to do so when they ignore it), and the more retiring have a distinct cue that says TALK NOW and people will listen.
More subjective approaches do not seem to do as good a job with either of these.
Re: Oh, this is something I have to be aware of EVERY day!
February 7 2013, 00:10:09 UTC 8 years ago
It does not work for the kind of retiring people who panic or feel pressured when put on the spot to speak. They will not come, or they will stutter and freak out. I have seen this. It is not pretty.
It does not work for the kind of talkative people who experience increasing pressure the longer they do not speak. This is like trying not to pee, or worse, trying not to blink. The longer it goes -- and with more than two or three people, a Talking Stick takes for-fucking-EVER to go anywhere -- the more miserable the discomfort becomes. A person quickly becomes consumed by the misery rather than able to concentrate on the content of the conversation. This is me. I avoid such situations if I can. If not, I quickly park my body and vacate for more habitable conceptual territory. This is not safe or pleasant for me or anyone else. There are other people whose experiences are similar.
There may be other people or reasons why a Talking Stick will not work.
Re: Oh, this is something I have to be aware of EVERY day!
February 7 2013, 00:43:30 UTC 8 years ago
If I am in a talking-stick space, and I don't want to talk much, I can make a terse comment and pass it on. Other people have even just said "Pass" and passed it on. It should be made clear initially that this is absolutely OK (if it is- and if it isn't, there's more problems there than a technical solution can address).
As someone on the retiring end, married to someone who is very talkative- I do not see why I should not be allowed to have a chance to speak because someone else REALLY WANTS to talk. Damn near ALL the time. Maybe they should learn to give other people fair space for expression. I also saw that a lot when I was teaching- some people would do their best to monopolize ALL my time, trying to prevent me from attending to others that also needed help but were not as bold/aggressive.
I am sure that people who want to do most of the talking are very uncomfortable when that's not allowed. I've seen that. I do not really see this as a bad thing; I think it is educational. Yes, even if they are stuck in their misery at NOT getting priority, and thus are not paying attention to anything but their own feelings. But I ask this: if everyone in the group needs to talk most of the time- who is there to listen? Is it even a group?
A talking stick is a technical solution to a real problem- which is mostly that some people monopolize the time/attention of the group, shutting others out. The shutting others out is the crux of the problem.
Re: Oh, this is something I have to be aware of EVERY day!
February 6 2013, 20:39:07 UTC 8 years ago
That's one of the leading arguments in favor of genderspace education.
>>In my mixed gender classes, I have to call on girls specifically, and often stop boys from thundering over them.<<
Good for you.
>>It's so easy as a teacher to want to get the lesson done in the shortest amount of time, that if you don't watch it, you start relying on the blurters (usually male) and forget to draw out your deeper thinkers, both female and male.<<
And that's how the changes in education are harming students and teachers. When the test scores determine whether you have a job, don't get hit by your parents, or get food stamps then it creates intense pressure. When there are 30 or 40 kids in a room, it's less about actually teaching and more about making sure nobody hurts each other. Efficiency trumps effectiveness.
As a student, I thought about these things, though it wasn't quite as bad then. I couldn't fix the system. I could only decide whether I would be polite, and get less education by allowing other people to trample me; or rude and get more education for myself at the expense of trampling other people. That's a vicious decision to put in front of a young person. I really didn't want examples of how the world is run by dicks and how acting like a dick can be a survival need in this culture.
February 6 2013, 20:32:41 UTC 8 years ago
I have had to lay down the law with J, though; for years I'd get about half a sentence of what I was trying to communicate out, and he'd interrupt and be off to the races. meaning, he'd have a whole BUNCH of stuff, all more IMPORTANT that whatever i'd been trying to say. I tried waiting him out, and then resuming, but he'd do the same damn thing again. So now I just say "DO NOT INTERRUPT ME!!!!!" until he shuts up and I can continue.