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On Ghazals and the Ghazal Sonnet
Here's an interesting essay about ghazals, a form of Arabic poetry.  Some poetic forms cross easily over language barriers; others do not, if they tie tightly into the particular features of the source language.

The khazal form in which I write much of my desert poetry was inspired loosely by ghazals.  For an example, see "The Pear Gate."

The kavita form, which I designed for writing "The Janardanakavita," was inspired by the shloka form used in the Mahābhārata and many other Indian epics.  Because English has a very different structure than Hindi, I took some features from the shloka and some from heroic couplets and other sources, to create a form that would carry hints of the classic Indian flavor yet still work gracefully in English.

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From: rhodielady_47 Date: February 1st, 2013 07:14 am (UTC) (Link)
One of these days you need to do some poems about the sorts of poems different groups of people like to use and what they use them for.
I keep thinking of a type of poem called an Elven Rant. It's the sort of poem Elves use to complain about something.
Dwarves, on the other hand, would call that sort of poem a Dwarven Grumble.
Seems like Elves and Dwarves both would use poetry to propose marriage but what would we call those poems?
I keep thinking that at least amongst Dwarves, a proposal of marriage would be a poem sung with a strong drum-like or hammer-like rhythm to it, which the man would begin with the first part and the woman would continue with the second part (to either say yes, no, let me think about it, or "maybe"---a very strong insult to remain totally silent) and the third part would be sung by the newly engaged couple each singing every other line to the other's hammer-beats as they work in a mine or hammer metal while making something.

Trolls would have a type of poem they call shrilling which is generally a group performance. A set of trollish friends would each sing a few lines of one of their poems while the other trolls in the group howl some vowels or imitate the blowing wind.
Don't know what you could do with these bits of ideas but I thought you might find them interesting.
:)


thnidu From: thnidu Date: February 5th, 2013 12:34 am (UTC) (Link)
And then there's Klingon courtship. The woman throws things. The man recites poetry and ducks a lot.
ysabetwordsmith From: ysabetwordsmith Date: February 5th, 2013 01:20 am (UTC) (Link)

*laugh*

I do love that image.
From: rhodielady_47 Date: February 5th, 2013 04:51 am (UTC) (Link)
Kinda makes human courtship seem rather dull in comparison doesn't it?
I never threw things at my future Hubby and he never recited poetry....come May we will be married 20 years.
:}
ysabetwordsmith From: ysabetwordsmith Date: February 5th, 2013 04:53 am (UTC) (Link)

Well...

Not the throwing things, but there was plenty of poetry in our courtship.
From: rhodielady_47 Date: February 5th, 2013 03:19 pm (UTC) (Link)

Re: Well...

I was courted with old Bogy movies and nature walks amongst others. Hubby won over my dad with his sense of humor and a repaired telephone.
:)
thnidu From: thnidu Date: February 5th, 2013 05:46 am (UTC) (Link)
She never threw things at me. I wrote some songs for her, on and off, including one that I sprung on her when we hosted the monthly MASSFILC (the Massachusetts/New England filk organization) housefilk the week of our thirtieth anniversary. We had 43 years together, the last 37 of them married.

I went to that page just now. It will take a while, but I will write a ghazal, quite possibly a sonnet ghazal, to my love.
ysabetwordsmith From: ysabetwordsmith Date: February 5th, 2013 06:00 am (UTC) (Link)

*hugs*

I'm glad I could direct you to the inspiration, then.
From: rhodielady_47 Date: February 5th, 2013 03:15 pm (UTC) (Link)
43 years together is a real achievement! I'm sorry you lost her so soon.
My Hubby and I dated for nearly 5 years before we marched down the aisle.
I once had to get some passport pictures made and while I was at the photographers office I saw the most gorgeous wedding photo. I complemented the photographer's skill and the clerk told me that the pictures were the only thing good that came from that wedding. Turns out the reason why the wedding photo was on the display wall was because the couple didn't make it past their third month together and the bride never even picked up her pictures.
:]
thesilentpoet From: thesilentpoet Date: February 1st, 2013 03:29 pm (UTC) (Link)

I just learned about these in my poetry group this week - I was going to challenge you with the form during the next Fishbowl.
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