Elizabeth Barrette (ysabetwordsmith) wrote,
Elizabeth Barrette
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It's Raining!

After no significant rain for a couple months, it's raining now.  We're not getting a lot, but some, and it's more than we've had in a long time.  Thanks to siege for the idea of asking the land spirits to ask the weather spirits for gentle rain.  That's what we did in our esbat last night.
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As a Catholic, I'm supposed to frown upon that sort of thing,
but in the Christian scheme of things, those spirits do exist.
They are referenced at least twice in the old testament,
and a few times in the New...
Oh, sure, they're in a state of rebellion,
but is that your fault?
Actually, I'd ask who said they were in rebellion? And if so, against whom?

This might be a heretical thought to a Christian, but what if some beings seen as angels were actually the very spirits that operate and inhabit the stones and the skies? And considering what human governance has been doing to humanity and the world, I wonder who's actually in rebellion against a loving God that wants harmony throughout the world.
I still don't get how people can believe that God made the Earth and gave it to them -- dominion or no -- and feel that it's okay to wreck it. I mean, all those species that are going extinct every day, supposedly God made every one of those. Wouldn't obliterating them upset Him?

>>And considering what human governance has been doing to humanity and the world, I wonder who's actually in rebellion against a loving God that wants harmony throughout the world.<<

There's a story in that.
Story?
A whole novel...
:)
Not only did God make all of them,
every one of them glorifies him simply by existing,
and if they cease to exist, it's one less voice in the choir,
and no, he's not happy about it...
Treason doth never prosper,
for if it prosper,
none dare call it treason.
:)

Obviously, whenever factions are opposed,
each faction believes the other to have diverged from the truth.
Meanwhile, almost everyone caught in the crossfire
is innocent, and no one can be blamed for supposing
that faction which has done them the least injury
is the right side.

For most Christians, this is all very user-transparent,
because few of us ever get involved in anything spiritual.
But it's like this:
If you held a plane in one hand and a cone in the other,
you could, by intersecting them,
make that cone appear to be a point, a line, a circle, or an ellipse,
depending on the orientation of the intersection.
So here we are, limited to the plane, as it were, of our perception,
and so supposing that the points, lines, circles, and ellipses we see
are the full reality.
They're not, they're only what we are able to perceive.

Keep in mind that as Christians and Catholics go,
I'm exceptional in both my understanding and experience
of being Christian/Catholic.
>>So here we are, limited to the plane, as it were, of our perception,
and so supposing that the points, lines, circles, and ellipses we see
are the full reality.
They're not, they're only what we are able to perceive.<<

While it is not possible to access a full perception of divinity from a mortal perspective, it is possible to move around and study different perspectives so as to get a more thorough view than most people get. I regret that so many religions actively discourage this.

>>Keep in mind that as Christians and Catholics go,
I'm exceptional in both my understanding and experience
of being Christian/Catholic.<<

You sound rather gnostic. I tend to like gnostics. Largely because they move around and collect perspectives.
Most religious leaders recognize
that if they encourage their followers
to get a more thorough view,
they might have sense enough to stop following...

Earlier this year,
someone told me I'm a gnostic theist,
which may be true,
but Gnosticism was the first major heresy,
so...
I guess as long as it's not capitalized?
:)
>>Most religious leaders recognize
that if they encourage their followers
to get a more thorough view,
they might have sense enough to stop following...<<

Yes. However, I believe that anything which can be destroyed by the truth, should be.

>>Earlier this year,
someone told me I'm a gnostic theist,
which may be true,
but Gnosticism was the first major heresy,
so...
I guess as long as it's not capitalized?<<

Well, "gnostic" is a style, "Gnostic" is a sect. It's like the difference between catholic tastes and the Catholic religion. Sufi is the gnostic, mystic branch of Islam.
Surely there must be Catholic saints for rain, there are for just about everything. And if I were Catholic, I'd go to a candeleria and look up the right saint and the right candle and deal with it that way. (I think the classic ceremonial parts of Catholicism are pretty cool.) Since I'm Pagan, I took a slightly different approach.
The two practices only appear to be equivalent,
because they seek the same object and obtain the same result,
and are undertaken by similar methodologies.

Most Catholics don't even understand the difference,
and the only analogy I can think of that you might grasp would be language.

Pragmatically, whether one is speaking Japanese or Italian,
one might seek the same object and obtain the same result,
and both languages are spoken with the same physical means,
and yet what one says and how one says it will be very different.

But, yes, you're a Pagan,
so there's no sin in you doing something Pagan,
and there's no sin for you if you don't see the difference.
There is only sin for me if I lead you to believe there is no difference,
but I have no obligation to convince you of the difference,
but only to point it out.

Similarly, as long as I'm droning,
I have never received communion at the Presbyterian church
because they would misunderstand,
and that misunderstanding would be ~my~ responsibility.

And this is where being Catholic really gets weird,
because I ~have~ received communion at other churches,
but only because my friends there KNEW I was committing a mortal sin
for the sake of our friendship,
and since they understood that,
it was NOT a mortal sin, because I was NOT misleading them.

But my Presbyterian friends DO NOT understand that;
they would see it as a concession that transubstantiation
is just a lot of mumbo-jumbo,
so my receiving communion with them would essentially be
a denial of Christ.

Seriously, I have to admit, that's weird.
It's a mortal sin because they think it's not.
If they knew how serious it was,
it would not be a mortal sin...
*blink*

Not hard to understand why there are so many former Catholics.
:)
Yay, rain! :) Good for you guys.
It rained here a night or two ago...long, slow, gentle rain. We haven't been as dry as you are, but it was still lovely.