Can't do much about people who just don't like female characters. The other two, however, often stem from bad writing. I often dislike female characters because they're boring, or they manifest stereotypes, or they aggravate the crap out of me like some women I've actually met. Which is not entertaining. I want female characters to make a difference in the plot, to do something other than sex/romance, and to be halfway decent human beings that I might actually want to spend 5 minutes with (unless they are villainesses). And if they are villainesses, then I want to see them kick the hero's balls down the street.
You can imagine how rarely I am satisfied by TV, movies, or books in this regard. Hence my passion for crowdfunding: "I'd like a formidable, interesting hera please." "Here she is." "KTHXWOW."
July 14 2012, 08:04:26 UTC 8 years ago
And I've definitely seen that happen. It's not that a person can't dislike a character for any reason, but the level of hate that female characters attract is completely disproportionate to the hate that male characters attract. I've actually had people say to me that they would rather write male than female characters because they feel that their stories would be better received, and that's terrible!
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July 14 2012, 18:52:14 UTC 8 years ago
July 14 2012, 15:25:50 UTC 8 years ago
Yes...
July 14 2012, 18:59:52 UTC 8 years ago
Joss writes all kinds of different women. I love that about him. He did it on Firefly too. The cast is about half-and-half male and female.
July 14 2012, 16:44:57 UTC 8 years ago
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July 14 2012, 18:55:33 UTC 8 years ago
I think that people are more inclined to hate female characters, because some people just don't like women.
Also consider that Tara is a lesbian, a category that many people hate per se. Dawn's role is primarily "Buffy's annoying little sister" and siblings = annoying is something that many people have experienced, so it's easy to absorb. That can push up the level of dislike.
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July 16 2012, 16:29:08 UTC 8 years ago
Then I realized that in two separate series of novels I was reading, the lead female character was a mechanic. Why can't we have a lead female character who is a heroine AND doesn't have to do so by taking on stereotypically male attributes? Why can't the woman like crossstitch and cats and still kick butt? :P
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July 16 2012, 21:26:51 UTC 8 years ago
I can see how that would be disappointing. However, she is also excellent in combat: enough to make it onto a team with super-strength heroes. And being underestimated really does work as a superpower, speaking from personal experience. Having a more gender-diverse team would've been nice, but I still loved Black Widow in that movie.
>>Then I realized that in two separate series of novels I was reading, the lead female character was a mechanic. Why can't we have a lead female character who is a heroine AND doesn't have to do so by taking on stereotypically male attributes? Why can't the woman like crossstitch and cats and still kick butt?<<
That's part of an evolving arc of gender expression in literature. Early female characters usually were feminine, just dropped into male-dominated plots, and gradually moving up to more prominent positions. Then people started saying, "Hey, why can't women do X?" and putting female characters into the most masculine roles they could think of. It's a way of blurring gender lines. When it piles up, though, it can look awkward. So then the pendulum swings back, and people start re-adding feminine characteristics because they feel that some female characters are written like "men with boobs."
If you want feminine characters who can still kick butt, or female superheroes with formidable powers, I recommend the Crowdfunding Creative Jam (July 21-22) on "Women in Sensible Armor." The August 7 Poetry Fishbowl on "Modern Myths" might also suit. Ask for what you want.
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July 16 2012, 21:37:59 UTC 8 years ago
I just finished reading a series written by a man that made me think about how females are written. He writes about both feminine females and hyper-masculine females. (Commander series by Randall Farmer) That made me start thinking about whether females in other series I liked were being written as more typically masculine.
Thanks for the recommends!
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July 17 2012, 03:40:51 UTC 8 years ago
I didn't see a special gimmick for her. Other than being a brilliant earwig, and Loki has that too.
>> I just finished reading a series written by a man that made me think about how females are written. He writes about both feminine females and hyper-masculine females. (Commander series by Randall Farmer) That made me start thinking about whether females in other series I liked were being written as more typically masculine. <<
That's really cool.
My characters cover a gender ... manifold. "Spectrum" is just so woefully inadequate it's like trying to draw a 2D tesseract. So I have some female characters who are classically feminine, like Auduna in Hart's Farm; some who are mostly feminine but just a bit mannish, like Fiorenza; plenty in the middle; some who are fairly butch but a little feminine, like Kay in Schrodinger's Heroes; and some who are strongly masculine, like Maryam in The Steamsmith. Interestingly, Fiorenza has a profession, wisewoman, that traditionally belongs to women; but it conveys more authority than women usually have in that context, so it blurs the lines a bit. And Kay has one masculine (soldier) and one feminine (nurse) profession, blended together. I probably do that a lot in the middle of the range.