Elizabeth Barrette (ysabetwordsmith) wrote,
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Fake Tibetan Monks

I saw a reference, which sadly doesn't have a link I can share, about Chinese soldiers dressing up as Tibetan monks to cause trouble.  Some of them are even entering monasteries!

And I just cracked up laughing.  Do they hang lamb chops around their necks before attempting to exterminate wolves?  I wonder how many spooks they have lost to enlightenment.  Okay, they are doing significant damage, but I suspect it's going to be a very Pyrrhic victory at best, if they don't wind up losing more than they gain.  Boy is China going to repress the hell out of those statistics.  I mean I thought it was kooky when they just tried to outlaw unauthorized reincarnation, but now they're throwing some of their best dudes to the other side.  I just ... WTF?  Is somebody over there trying to sabotage their sabotage?

The degree to which this is starting to resemble one of my science fiction story arcs, the settling of the planet Shambhala, is just getting freaky.
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Apparently, they've done that same thing with christians,
and one would be hard pressed to deny that it's succeeded,
if one compares US christians with the Chinese governemnt...

Seriously, as you may already know,
that's pretty much how Hitler became a Nazi...
... but Christians just don't have the same kind of leverage that Buddhists do. Christian higher powers rarely intervene directly in politics (regardless of what people claim). It makes them somewhat easier targets if they don't have material wealth and power.

Enlightenment is different; the Chinese are trying to carry this fight on the Tibetans' home ground, spiritually speaking. Some of the Tibetans are doing stuff that can reprogram the human brain and aim accurately across death. And enlightenment is triggered by experiences, it doesn't require a miracle. China has ... lots of guns. China can only win on a field of battle, and they can win violent conflicts quite easily in most cases. The moment they engage the spiritual, such as by taking their soldiers' weapons away and making them sneak into monasteries, I suspect they are going to get creamed. They're unarmed against experts, in that context.
Yeah, I think Chinese soldiers
would be more susceptible to Buddhism
than to Christinity,
and Buddhist better able to resist Communist/Maoist indoctrination
that Christians would be.

One of the few things I liked about the newer version of
The Day the Earth Stood Still
was the bit about the advance man who had learned to enjoy being human
after a lifetime of only pretending to be human...
>>One of the few things I liked about the newer version of
The Day the Earth Stood Still
was the bit about the advance man who had learned to enjoy being human
after a lifetime of only pretending to be human...<<

That's precisely it. There's a strong tendency to become what one pretends to be.
Well, to enter any kind of religious life in China or Tibet one needs the governement's authorization in the first place,it's a marvel that any kind of religion in China is doing as well as it's doing. Members of the Central Committee risked a collective heart attack when they read in an official report that one third of the members of the CCP declared they follow a religion (members of the CCP are a political elite, one has to be vetted and sponsored before being admitted)

On the other side (at least in the instance I remember reading about) soldiers dressed up as monks as provocateurs during a demonstration, so that the army could be seen 'reacting to the violence' unleashed by the not-so-peaceful 'monks'.
What you said. We've had plenty of things like that here, where someone from the opposite side will try to make the Occupiers look bad (and worthy of the best beatdowns first-world tech can provide). I don't think people who would be chosen as infiltrators get much chance to think about what they are damaging, even if they were prone to sympathy with the people they are hoping to harm.

But from some Buddhist standpoints, it's all academic, 'cause the infiltrators will become enlightened someday; it just doesn't have to be now.
>But from some Buddhist standpoints, it's all academic, 'cause the infiltrators will become enlightened someday; it just doesn't have to be now.<

Indeed.
>>We've had plenty of things like that here, where someone from the opposite side will try to make the Occupiers look bad (and worthy of the best beatdowns first-world tech can provide).<<

I've heard reports of faked-violent-demonstrations from America, Canada, and multiple other countries.

>>I don't think people who would be chosen as infiltrators get much chance to think about what they are damaging, even if they were prone to sympathy with the people they are hoping to harm.<<

I'm sure China is choosing the best infiltrators they can. But you can't stop words or ideas even if you're wearing armor. Buddhism is absolutely famous for split-second conversions, including of warmongers. The legends are full of cases where a warrior came to kill a monk and got blindsided by enlightenment. A few words or a gesture can do it. It seems to be mainly about knocking someone out of his rut. A quick impersonation in a riot, yeah, that's somewhat lower risk of enlightenment. But anyone entering a monastery is just begging to be cracked open, and those sounded like longer-term plantings.

It's going to be like the time the Jehovah's Witnesses kept sending guys to a Pagan friend of mine, and they'd talk, and he'd inadvertently convert them to Paganism. JW office gave up after several rounds of this, presumably because it was costing them too many guys. These were ardent proselytizers. They were just outclassed.

>>But from some Buddhist standpoints, it's all academic, 'cause the infiltrators will become enlightened someday; it just doesn't have to be now.<<

"They'll figure it out some life or other" is wonderful for cultivating patience. And if you say it to their face, it drives them nuts.

A funny thing about nonviolence is that, at low levels, it's nearly useless; and it's a hard skill path to climb. But it goes higher than violence does, and the upper levels are just unbelievably powerful. So if you pit mid-level warriors against high-level pacifists, the pacifists will consistently win and the warriors will be left wondering WTF just happened.

Why only mid-level warriors? The higher ones will usually be things like generals or green berets, not suited to this kind of assignment. And if China manages to send some high-level spooks who specialize in undercover work? Those guys do their best trick by absorbing what is around them so they can blend in. They'll have almost no chance of holding containment if they're not even trying to block out the competing signal. Agent loss is a constant risk in undercover work of any kind, precisely because humans are contextual. Anthropologists even have an equivalent, rudely called "going native."

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paka

9 years ago

I remember the Chinese government freaking out over Falun Gong too. Then I saw a demonstration -- the Falun Gong folks were on a float in a parade, and they were moving some serious energy. I can see how the government would be not too keen of that level of expertise.

Thing is, China is paddling upstream against psychobiology and that just never works. All known human cultures have or had religion of some kind. If it's thrown out or taken away, the hole starts refilling in no longer than a generation. You may as well try to sweep back the tide with a broom. People will not only make stuff up from scratch, it will be the same kind of stuff as previous examples even if they haven't seen any of those. So either the Divine is talking to people, it's hardwired in the human species, or both. You can penalize it, you can discourage it in individuals, but you can't get rid of it in a whole population.
In Gene Stratton Porter's novel Her Father's Daughter, a Japanese college professor comes to the United States and pretends to be a high school student (for which he rouges his cheeks) in order to Demoralize USian Youth.
That's just too funny. And sooner or later they're going to send somebody who actually knows a few things in there....

I wonder what the monks will do when someone hands them Beijing's puppet strings for their very own? That could get real interesting, the biggest nation on the planet (at least in people terms) being run, quietly, by non-violent, compassionate monks with serious woo-woo at their fingertips...

That's a really happy-making thought.
That's a different story than the arc I have going. Someone should write it.
Might be interesting to read your story arc first... linky?
It's not published yet, or I would've linked to it. That's part of the history for my main SF universe -- I know a bunch of the colonies and how they started, but they aren't all fleshed out in publication yet.

If you're that keen on it, though, you can always request it in a poetry fishbowl some time with a relevant theme. Shambhala was the planet where the Buddhist and Tibetan folks settled after leaving Earth. The Chinese executed the Dalai Lama shortly before the launch. Which saved him a substantial portion of the trip, he hated flying. Next incarnation, he caught right up to the colonists: "Don't you want to watch the landing?" "Don't be silly, you know how much I hate flying."
Now I'm thinking of the end of the Leslie Fish song "Harmless Historical Nuts." [lyrics here:
http://wiki.antir.sca.org/index.php?title=Harmless_Historical_Nuts ]

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