- What interests you the most about religion, your own or someone else's?
- What do you like the most about religion? What do you like the least?
- Are you still practicing the religion you grew up with? (You can name it if you wish, or not.)
- What are some ways to maximize the benefits of religion while minimizing the drawbacks?
Topic Discussion: Religion
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June 15 2008, 21:23:14 UTC 13 years ago
As for me, I believe that it's difficult to have any discussion on the subject since it tends to lend itself to generalities. And that's problematic since such conversations tend to lead to flaws in substance.
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June 16 2008, 02:26:20 UTC 13 years ago
To pull a few bits from the article you referenced:
"What is the distinction between a religion and a cult? Is there any difference? They seem to be synonyms, yet the second has more negative connotations than the first. Why?"
The difference depends on how much control the group tries to exert over its followers. A religion provides guidelines of varying intensity; a cult tends towards rigid and complex rules. One of the best tools I have found for identifying a cult (which can be secular, by the way) is this one:
http://www.neopagan.net/ABCDEF.html
"The same thing that results in people wilfully believing lies and refusing to consider such matters rationally, the same thing that results in people keeping information from growing minds,"
Interestingly, these presuppose that the religion in question is faith-based and logic-hostile; not all religions are. It also presupposes that a rational examination of data and options can only lead to one, atheistic conclusion. Some people, when they leave their natal faith and seek farther afield, do become atheists; but other find that their beliefs and the evidence they examine inclines them to some other religion.
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June 15 2008, 22:18:56 UTC 13 years ago
I am and always have been arreligious which of course colours my views on the matter so to me all religions are "somebody else's". My parents would probably have identified as Anglican around the time of my birth - I don't know if either of them still do.
I used to be quite vehemently anti-religious due to learning about things such as the Jonestown Massacre and the Inquisition. I now recognise that the frequency of occurance of bad things done in the name of religion is exaggerated by a media selection effect. If it bleeds and all that.
Now and on a more local scale I have come to the conclusion that religion is not a predictor of the (for want of a better word) goodness of any paticular person.
It seems to me that people will do as they wish, or as their own psycological programming dictates and then look to their religion (amongst other things) to justify their actions.
This is not finished, but I am at work and should do the stuff they pay me for. More later.
June 16 2008, 02:17:33 UTC 13 years ago
While not a religion, that too is a religious stance and interesting to discuss.
"It seems to me that people will do as they wish, or as their own psycological programming dictates and then look to their religion (amongst other things) to justify their actions."
That is very often true, although religions can encourage groups of people to act communally in particular (violent or nonviolent) ways.
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June 15 2008, 22:22:11 UTC 13 years ago
In a word, chaplaincy.
My patients are typically in and out of my life in 2-6 weeks. Some have asked me to pray with and for them, which I am glad to do. Many are in somewhat desperate medical straights, and need a spiritual lifesaver. Not one has asked what path I follow.
Having spent about 15 years leading congregations, chaplaincy was a stretch for me. I do still miss the limelight of a pulpit. About twice a year, a patient will ask me out of the blue if I'm ordained. I am, but I do not advertise it at all. I do wear a Brigit's Cross, but the three people to date that recognized it assumed I was catholic.
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It's hard to beat the Catholics for sheer pageantry.
"That's why science alone doesn't do it for me, even though I worked in science for years."
Interestingly, that's something I like about science: it touches the mysterious layers of life, the edges of what we know for certain.
"I truly think people should be more accepting and respectful of the beliefs of others."
That makes sense, and I'm especially delighted to hear such sentiments from a Christian friend.
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June 15 2008, 23:22:40 UTC 13 years ago
--I think it's the vast amount of diversity that is found in trying to answer the same basic question that makes religion interesting. Diversity in dogma, diversity in practices.
# What do you like the most about religion? What do you like the least?
--What I like the most is the healing that religion has to offer people, and what I like the least are the wounds that religion causes people.
# Are you still practicing the religion you grew up with? (You can name it if you wish, or not.)
-No. I was raised Christian, and while I no longer claim that path, I still value the teachings of Jesus, reguardless of his divinity. It makes sense to "love your neighbor" no mater who says it. The parts of Christianity that didn't make sense, like Hell, Satan, Original Sin and Salvation, I've left behind.
# What are some ways to maximize the benefits of religion while minimizing the drawbacks?
--The first thing that comes to mind is to teach our youth to be comfortable with not having all the answers. When our need for answers becomes more important than the questions, trouble brews.
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June 16 2008, 01:04:00 UTC 13 years ago
Religion (or at least some religions) can address spiritual injuries, which other methods of healing can't. If you're mad at God because someone you love has died, pills won't help.
"The first thing that comes to mind is to teach our youth to be comfortable with not having all the answers. When our need for answers becomes more important than the questions, trouble brews."
Yea, verily.
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June 16 2008, 06:59:24 UTC 13 years ago
Though "religion" is technically the structure through which humans access The Divine, not The Divine itself. But I like "religion" for just that reason. I mean, I "like" The Divine ("like" is such a strange word to use here and not at all precise), but one of the biggest ways to perceive and understand The Divine is through how humanity interacts with it.
I love the Bible, for example. I love everything about it (though not everything that's in it). I love it bc it is a documented record of all the different ways humans thought about, interacted with, talked about and explained The Divine over a period of thousands of years. Maybe not a complete record of all humanity and all ways of thinking, but a huge record of a certain segment of humanity. Additionally, words are symbolic structures. Words, which are symbols, are used to define and express other symbols. What a giant puzzle, with endless layers upon layers of meaning!
By studying the Bible one can also see how other segments of the human population not directly responsible for the Bible's texts interacted with and influenced those ideas and understandings. So there is direct and indirect knowledge there. It is endlessly fascinating to me bc it is a window into the minds of so many people.
When thinking about "The Divine", whatever it is, I am reminded of that old tale of the blind men all touching the elephant and describing it all in different ways. They all had different pieces of the puzzle. I think all religions have glimmers of truth in them. All religions exist bc some group had a piece of the puzzle and they created an entire social structure around that one piece.
Consider a wall with a window in it. The Divine Realm is on one side of the wall and humans and our ordinary perceptions are on the other. Each religion has a central symbol (Jesus, Buddha, Goddess, etc). That central symbol is the window in the middle of that wall. The window lets in the light from the other side and you can see thru it. Sometimes one can actually stick their head thru the window to the other side. Maybe some people have actually climbed thru said window.
Religions are formal structures that grow up around those symbols. Religions express and delineate how humans think about those central symbols, how they interact with them. For various reasons, most humans seem unable to interact with The Divine in any way other than symbolically, religions formalize the human relationship to The Divine thru the central symbols.
This isn't precisely related to religion only, but one of the other reasons I am so fascinated by this topic is that EVERYONE can and does have an opinion, based on personal, direct experience (negative or positive). Unlike anthropology, my other big love, which many people do not know and some cannot even SPELL, religion and spirituality are topics that everyone can talk about. Everyone can contribute. Everyone has ideas. And anyone, even the least educated, can offer some knowledge that maybe no one has thought of before.
The thing I like the least is that some people learn a few things and then they stop. Stop learning but also stop thinking. And they don't wanna think about it. In any other topic or area, a person with just a little bit of knowledge would KNOW they were knowledge deficient, and they would say it -- "yeah I don't know a lot about that." And that would be it. Instead, bc of religion, whole swaths of people learn just surface information and they think they know just as much as anyone else, and that what they know is just as valid. It isn't.
I do practice Christianity in a Catholic setting regularly, which is what I was brought up in. However that is specifically structured itself within the Benedictine tradition. I don;t care to practice generic Catholicism. I do not practice Protestantism in any form at all, which is the form of Christianity I practiced deeply and devoutly for 10 years. In fact when I drive past certain churches, I shudder as I pass. I also practice certain forms of Pagan religion, especially as relates to nature spirituality. Certain pieces of Judaism also make their way into my own spirituality, though not formally as a religion.
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What interests me most is acquiring knowledge and peace of mind and wisdom. I am Jewish but I have a broad interest in a lot of beliefs including Eastern religions and pagan religions.
What do you like the most about religion? What do you like the least?
I love the history of the Jews, the good, the bad and the ugly. I like the sense of tradition. What I dislike? Practitioners that have become too orthodox.
Are you still practicing the religion you grew up with? (You can name it if you wish, or not.)
I grew up with a Jewish mom and a Catholic dad. We were raised with absolute freedom to choose whichever religion we felt most connection with. I chose Judaism and I have been practicing for about 19 years.
What are some ways to maximize the benefits of religion while minimizing the drawbacks?
I think there is not one way to answer this question. Personally I believe it depends on what religion means to one person, how important it is. Some people have a religion but they don't practice it. I think that if you have a religion that you love you want to constantly learn more. I am about to learn the Kabbalah, which is the mystic side to Judaism.
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June 17 2008, 03:57:46 UTC 13 years ago
The best explanation of this that I've heard is: Most people who take the Bible literally don't take it seriously.
"I am about to learn the Kabbalah, which is the mystic side to Judaism."
I have an intermittent interest in that. It pops up in my main SF universe, since the stardrive technology's vocabulary includes a lot of borrowings from Kabbalah.
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July 19 2008, 00:21:31 UTC 12 years ago