Elizabeth Barrette (ysabetwordsmith) wrote,
Elizabeth Barrette
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In Which the Sun Briefly Gets Lost

Does anyone know of a phenomenon which would make the sun appear to unset?

I was watching the sunset tonight. The sky was clear, with only a few wisps of cloud, so the sun was plainly visible as a large orange disk. It disappeared beyond the western horizon. The orange sky around it faded to peach.

And about a minute later, the sky there abruptly brightened to orange. A spark of sun appeared, then the top of the disk. Then it went back over the horizon and the sky faded back to peach.

I stared very hard at the spot for some time, wondering WTF just happened. The sun seems to have stayed down this time.

The horizon there is fairly flat and clear, without a lot of trees or houses in the way. I've watched the sun set many times in that location, and I've never seen anything like this before. I mean ... WTF? I know the cardinal directions around here are prone to some odd shifts, but that is the first time I've seen the sun directly affected. The incident involving a trip from Carbondale to Danville by way of St. Louis was, I believe, confined to the surface/roads mutating and the effect on the sun was just a side effect. I'm hoping that a rational explanation for this is available, because the potential mystical ones are ... disturbing.
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I know some astronomers; mind if I link?
Sure, go ahead. I'm thinking now that it may be some kind of atmospheric lens trick, and would love to know more about it.

It will be funnier after I've used it to scare the piss out of some unsuspecting character...

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The bit of sailors' lore that I know of is the Green Flash. I'd love to see that one. I had long heard it described as a subjective effect, but then I saw a book of unusual celestial phenomena that had several photos of it over oceans and deserts. Wow. Cool.
I've read about the phenomenon. Of course, now that I'm thinking about it, my memory is a blank. :)
Hmmm - I wonder if it might be an afterglow effect or something similar.
According to the description, afterglow is supposed to be a "high" effect. What I saw was right on the horizon. It might be something related. I'll keep looking.

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Thanks everso for the link! Those things are SO COOL!
The reverse of this maybe?
I don't think so. It says that it's a "diffuse" phenomenon, and part of what I was the brightness of the sun itself.

But wow, am I ever getting a tour of celestial weirdnesses!
Could there have been a low bank of clouds that blended with the horizon? I've seen that happen and only noticed it because the sun peeked out from below for a moment before entirely setting.
I am going to link this, too. I have a PhD in astronomy on my fList. I am quite sure she has an answer, and would enjoy explaining it to you.
Sounds like atmospheric "lensing" -- denser or less-dense air layer at the horizon, bending light. As others mentioned, the "green flash" effect comes from something similar.

Not an astronomer, so I await correction.
Hi, I'm one of the astronomers janetmiles knows.

There are two things that can cause this sort of thing, and it's the wrong time of year for one of them.

1. When the Earth is near perihelion (which happens between 2 Jan and 4 Jan every year) it's moving fast enough in its orbit around the Sun that with just the right sort of horizon it's possible for the Sun to appear to move backward (either rising, ducking back below the horizon, and then rising again, or something like you saw.) However, this is obviously NOT the cause of what you saw. I just mention it for completeness.

2. Air bends light. Different masses of air can have slightly different indices of refraction, and this can cause the kind of strange horizon effects you saw. I *think* that what you saw involved the Sun setting to your west with the light coming through clear air with a low index of refraction. Then, just as the Sun got far enough below your horizon for it to appear to have set from your vantage point, some of the Sun's rays began to pass through a less clear volume of air with a higher index of refraction. This resulted in you seeing *another* image of the Sun, after you'd already seen the Sun set.

It's also possible that after the Sun set from your perspective, the light of the setting Sun began to pass through a region of ice crystals, creating a sun pillar further to the west. You may have seen the upper portion of a sun pillar. I mention this possibility in the interest of completeness, but from your description I think you saw what I've explained under 2 above.
I think #2 is it! I know there were different air masses around; the weather here has been tumultuous.

Science is so cool. Thank you for sharing your expertise!

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