Other More Risky Options

There are herbs that will induce abortion, sometimes.

The problem is that the dose that induces abortion is very close to the dose that kills the woman. And herbs grown under different conditions, or herbs of different strains of the same species, contain differing amounts of the active ingredient, making it very easy to either poison yourself, or take too little to be effective.

Seriously, herbs are not the solution for this. The solution for this is to pry the conservatives, and their intrusive overbearing nanny-government, out of women's private lives.

In order to do that, you will first have to pry out the notion that Organized Religion has that it must police women's every thought and action. It's only after you manage to do this that you will get conservative politicians out of women's hair.
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Or- extend this principle to everyone.

If it is legal to force women to go through a risky medical procedure entirely for the sake of another and not themselves- the fetus- then we ought to be seeing laws that force everyone to go though things like bone marrow and kidney donations, just because someone else might die without that. It's the same principle... except the donation thing would also apply to men.

So- let's do that! And then we can have a sane discussion about whether or not the state has the right to require one to go through a painful and risky medical procedure entirely for someone else's benefit, without misogyny getting in the way. (I'd vote no, myself.)

Best not show anybody the size of a bone marrow extraction needle before you make it manditory that everyone submit to bone marrow donor tests. I remember seeing one years ago--they were huge back then! (Don't know if they still use such big ones though.)

One thing that really gets my goat is that there are plenty of young women who KNOW by age 21 that they don't want to become mothers--ever--but just try to get your tubes tied at that age!
You'll look half of forever before you find a doctor willing to do that on such a young woman. Heck, for that matter, try finding one willing to do it on a 30 year old woman.
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"then we ought to be seeing laws that force everyone to go though things..."

Now that I think about it, I have to say we are moving ever closer to just that.
Back during the 80's when they were just starting to do DNA studies on people, there were a bunch of health insurance companies who demanded that would-be customers donate a sample of their blood. Turned out that the reason for it was that they were using the blood to check for certain high-cost genetic disorders. If you turned up positive for one, they turned you down for coverage.
The insurance companies still want to be able to do this but they are forced to look at other markers for potential genetic illness. One such marker they pay close attention to is your weight.
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There ahve been lawsuits where someone has sued because a relative denying them a kidney, or bone marrow, or whatever, meant that the sue-er was pretty much gonna die. The courts have upheld bodily integrity trumping someone else's need... for everything BUT pregnancy.

That is clearly unjust, and needs to be justified one way or another.

The scariness of a bone marrow needle, and the pain of the procedure, is one of the reasons I favor equalizing this. It is sure not scarier or more painful than pregnancy/birth! And it doesn't last nearly as long!

But- if forced bone marrow donation is illegal- as it currently is- so should be forced pregnancy. Same thing. And if forced pregnancy is legal- I want to see these men donating bone marrow, kidneys, and lungs.

The recent "health care reform"- otherwise known as mandatory health insurance bought from for-profit companies- does have some protection for pre-existing conditions such as weight and genetics. I'm waiting till that goes into effect before getting a physical, myself.

If you can avoid it, do so.
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