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Poem: "Pigeon Soup"
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ysabetwordsmith From: ysabetwordsmith Date: December 9th, 2011 06:49 pm (UTC) (Link)


>> I just love it.<<


>>The banter between Don Candido and Fiorenza and the way the two cooperate is a great point of this series and I really like how you succeed in giving each poem a very local feel through apparently small details.<<

I don't even have to poke them, they just do that. I think it's just one of those relationships where people express their affection through banter. Plus of course I had fun exploring a plot where Fiorenza wasn't the one with the crucial solution in hand.

*ponder* I wonder how long it's going to take Don Candido to realize that he isn't nearly as lonely as he used to be, anymore.

>>It's true, each and every farm over here has a dovecote and pigeon soup and pigeon meat were either a dish for the great holidays or something to tempt the ill into eating or to give strenght to new mothers.<<

I love discovering little tidbits like this while exploring other cultures. It reminds me that life is refractive -- the details vary, which creates interest, but the underlying concepts are largely similar. Chicken soup to pigeon soup. Both the differences and the similarities are important.

>>Also each house in the countryside had a grapevine somewhere, often growing near the door and giving it shadow (most of the time this one produced grapes for eating: uva Regina or Moscato), and a tree in the yard: a walnut or persimmon or quince tree for the use of the family.<<

Ooo ... now I must mull over these ideas and see if I can fit them in somewhere. Those are nice details. I have seen permaculture designs for gazebos or arbors with a grapevine to produce shade in summer, then allow the thin winter sunlight through for added warmth in the cold season.

Here in central Illinois, our yard has lots of black walnut trees. I've planted a few persimmons, which I love, although they're too young to bear fruit yet. We have a mature crabapple and pear tree, and a grovelet of pie cherries, along with a couple of young apple trees that occasionally bear some fruit and then the birdgift apple tree that's half yellow crab and half small yellow apple. I haven't planted a quince yet because those are mostly for jelly, which I don't make; but they're supposed to have splendid flowers, so I'm still kind of tempted.
siege From: siege Date: December 9th, 2011 07:03 pm (UTC) (Link)

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I've never eaten quince. I wonder how they'd do in a fruit salad.
ysabetwordsmith From: ysabetwordsmith Date: December 9th, 2011 07:11 pm (UTC) (Link)

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Quince belongs to the rose family, related to pears and other fruit. It is tough and bitter, so rarely eaten raw. It might do as a minor ingredient in fruit salad if you shredded it. Then again, warmer climates can turn the fruit more palatable, so imported tropically grown quince might be edible raw.

I have to admit, I've wondered how it would perform in the bittersharp role for cider composition.
marina_bonomi From: marina_bonomi Date: December 9th, 2011 07:30 pm (UTC) (Link)

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Quince is never eaten raw that I know of.
It's very hard (one must be really careful when cutting it)and it's...not really bitter (at least the varieties we have), but sour and feels dry. Cooking it changes the flavor dramatically and makes the fruit release its juice.
mdlbear From: mdlbear Date: December 9th, 2011 09:03 pm (UTC) (Link)

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My wife boils quinces with sugar and some of those little hot cinnamon candies. Yum.
ysabetwordsmith From: ysabetwordsmith Date: December 10th, 2011 04:24 am (UTC) (Link)

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Ohhhh ... so kind of like pie filling? I am now rather more interested in quince as a possible orchard addition, given that I make pie filling to freeze. Our pear tree produces quite crunchy pears, which are great for cooking. Perhaps quince could be used similarly.
rix_scaedu From: rix_scaedu Date: December 9th, 2011 10:54 pm (UTC) (Link)

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I remember reading that the (classical) Romans used to eat raw quince for fertility problems.
marina_bonomi From: marina_bonomi Date: December 9th, 2011 07:26 pm (UTC) (Link)

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...And I really love it when I get to see what to me are everyday things through the eyes of someone living half a world away.

American things are so widespread over here that one is almost led to believe that our cultures are way more similar than they actually are, often it's the small things that uncover the truth.

>I haven't planted a quince yet because those are mostly for jelly, which I don't make; but they're supposed to have splendid flowers, so I'm still kind of tempted.<

Your yard must be really something. Yes quince threes are beautiful and the fruit has a lovely fragrance, over here there was the use of putting a quince in a wardrobe or a drawer to scent the bedsheets or the underwear.

Another detail you might like: it was common in vine-growing places (that is, almost everywhere in Italy) to have rosebushes at the head and the end of the rows of vines, that was because the roses are more sensitive than vines to some ilnesses and parasites, so, if the rose got ill one had warning enough to save the grapevines. The practice is coming back and there is a new rose variety bred just for that, the Bardolino http://www.davidaustinroses.com/italian/showrose.asp?showr=6124
rix_scaedu From: rix_scaedu Date: December 9th, 2011 10:55 pm (UTC) (Link)

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David Austin roses are lovely...
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