Behind the Wall Street Protest
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A Little Slice of Terramagne: YardMap
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Goldenrod Gall Contents
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Science and Spirituality
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October 12 2011, 19:22:01 UTC 9 years ago
My point is, whether it costs them that much to do it or not, it is not worth it to me to buy it. I can completely agree that they ought to get $200 for that service. However, I'm not interested in PAYING $200 for that service. I will simply not purchase that service.
Sometimes instead of foregoing the product we buy a lower-quality version. I would rather buy wild-caught salmon than farmed salmon, but I do not value it enough to pay the price they charge for wild-caught salmon. Someone else might, but I don't. So I either buy farm-raised salmon or I don't buy salmon.
What I hear people saying is that a worker in Kansas needs $40,000 to live comfortably. But no one actually wants their labor $40,000 worth. They can obtain a reasonable substitute for $20,000 OR they would simply forego buying the goods and services if they didn't value it $40K worth.
The market sets prices, I agree. It's a complex mechanism that involves hundreds of individual choices at any given moment. What is the correct price of wild-caught salmon? The price where, if it goes higher sales will fall and if it goes lower profits will fall. Competition will jump in if salmon is set at any different price.
But what happens if the price people are willing to pay for salmon is less than the cost of production? The answer there is that the fisherman sells his salmon at a loss and probably doesn't go out fishing again anytime soon.
The price you WANT to charge, the salary you WANT to get for your labor, is not related to what you CAN charge other than you get veto vote. You can determine whether you're willing to work at that price. You can't compel anyone to HIRE you at that price.
So here we are in the United States with a workforce that has a dropping value. I cannot even conceive of a price low enough to make it worthwhile for me to give up Quickbooks and Excel and hire a bookkeeper to do paper ledgers. All across the country the same thing is happening. People go to the marketplace with their skillset and no one wants to pay them what they think they're worth.
Workplace participation is the lowest in history. Vast numbers of our population are unemployed.
This is a REAL PROBLEM. All sorts of levels of real problems!
I UNDERSTAND that it's a problem.
I just don't have a clue what to do about it.
How would you put the middle class back to work?
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October 12 2011, 20:41:43 UTC 9 years ago
1) Even out the distribution of wealth. No matter much you cook the books, you cannot run 80% of the economy on 20% of the wealth. The rich individuals and corporations have hoarded so much that they've stalled the rest of the economy. People who don't have money can't buy things, so, that money needs to get spread around more.
2) Break up the megacorporations. Relocalize production. It's safer in case of natural disasters, less wasteful of fuel, and provides more jobs. Produce local, buy local, use local -- as much as feasible. Only the specialty stuff really needs to be shipped long distance.
3) Staff up the understaffed, overworked places like schools and hospitals. Identify work that needs to be done, and reward people for doing it.
4) Cash is only superior to barter when there's enough cash to go around. You always have your skills. Use barter exchanges to meet the need for skilled labor that's often too expensive to buy with cash.
We don't have a shortage of resources. We just suck at distributing them effectively. A society must meet the basic needs of its members, else they will tear it apart and try to build something that will work better.
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October 12 2011, 21:25:56 UTC 9 years ago
Next I'd tax dividends and long-term capital gains without regard to how high (or low) the income tax payer's income is. It's a little-understood thing that WEALTH and INCOME are different. You have a high income when you withdraw your entire retirement to buy into an assisted living center. But if you're WEALTHY you just WITHDRAW it from your savings account and pay no tax at all. Wealthy people typically make incomes of under $100K because they are wealthy and DON'T NEED TO WORK.
The next thing I'd do is take health insurance and payroll taxes out of payrolls and put them into general obligations and tax them in the graduated tax rates.
Changing the top income tax rate is small change compared to any of these other changes. I think it's odd that it's even being discussed, a "millionaire's tax". It's a joke. There are only 500 CEOs of Fortune 500 companies in the United States. All I an assume is that it's supposed to placate the masses.
Remember, the wealthy do not pay INCOME taxes because they do not have INCOME because they are WEALTHY and don't have to WORK!
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2. Break up megacorporations? Here's a bit of a problem. I think what you're aiming at is to stop them from having undo influence in government, right? That's the point? Because mega-corporations are actually pretty good for a lot of reasons. I'm not going to get into why they're good until I figure out why you think they need to be broken up. It sounds to me like you're naming the solution and the unintended consequences aren't being considered. What is this supposed to SOLVE? Because every time I hear "break up the corporations and give us good jobs" I get a head-ache.
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3. Staff up the human services? That's a nice alternative jobs program to "send soldiers to Afghanistan." It's fine with me. I assume this is paid for with Federal money, right? We already have several versions of this, including Americorps and VISTA. We also have a range of job training programs. None of these pay over minimum wage, though, so they don't really get "middle class" jobs back. But they certainly help put people on a rung out of poverty.
4. Barter? Uh... no. Really, no. I have a small business with a bunch of self-employed clients. I frequently use my own client's services. But here's what happens: I have three pieces of art from one of my clients. He's a wonderful artist. But I don't need any more art, thanks. The other issue that comes up is that we make different rates of pay based on our various skillsets and capital overhead. For example, I tried to barter for cleaning services once. I did an hour of work and she had to do 8 hours of cleaning. It was really icky. But the fact is, I make 8x what a cleaning lady makes. I have more clients than I need - way more - and I'm not interested in working for a lower rate of pay.
There is one client with whom barter works very well: a farmer. We run a tab: he delivers meat, I credit his bill. I do accounting, I debit his bill. Once a year or so I write him a check for the difference because I buy more meat than he does accounting services. That works pretty well, mostly because I would have bought meat whether or not he used my services.
Same issue with the roofer: we work it out in trade and settle up at the end of the year. That's okay.
But the vast majority of my income goes to pay for things like taxes and insurance and software licenses and heat and electric bills and mortgage payment and real estate taxes. The amount of my income that is spent on things that could be bartered is a tiny fraction.
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October 12 2011, 23:04:28 UTC 9 years ago
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October 12 2011, 23:15:08 UTC 9 years ago
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October 13 2011, 12:15:58 UTC 9 years ago
Sending food doesn't work that well because it gets stolen before it is distributed. Sending money works better. The people who are starving are pretty reliable about spending these dollars on the food the market provides.
Nearly all famines now are political in nature.