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Who owns "Lesbian" ...?

This article popped up on an email list I frequent:

People of Lesbos take gay group to court over term 'Lesbian'
By NICHOLAS PAPHITIS
Wednesday, April 30, 2008 9:45 AM CDT

ATHENS, Greece - A Greek court has been asked to draw the line between the natives of the Aegean Sea island of Lesbos and the world's gay women.

Three islanders from Lesbos _ home of the ancient poet Sappho, who praised love between women _ have taken a gay rights group to court for using the word lesbian in its name.

One of the plaintiffs said Wednesday that the name of the association, Homosexual and Lesbian Community of Greece, "insults the identity" of the people of Lesbos, who are also known as Lesbians.

"My sister can't say she is a Lesbian," said Dimitris Lambrou. "Our geographical designation has been usurped by certain ladies who have no connection whatsoever with Lesbos," he said.

The three plaintiffs are seeking to have the group barred from using "lesbian" in its name and filed a lawsuit on April 10. The other two plaintiffs are women.

Also called Mytilene, after its capital, Lesbos is famed as the birthplace of Sappho. The island is a favored holiday destination for gay women, particularly the lyric poet's reputed home town of Eressos.

"This is not an aggressive act against gay women," Lambrou said. "Let them visit Lesbos and get married and whatever they like. We just want (the group) to remove the word lesbian from their title."

He said the plaintiffs targeted the group because it is the only officially registered gay group in Greece to use the word lesbian in its name. The case will be heard in an Athens court on June 10.

Sappho lived from the late 7th to the early 6th century B.C. and is considered one of the greatest poets of antiquity. Many of her poems, written in the first person and intended to be accompanied by music, contain passionate references to love for other women.

Lambrou said the word lesbian has only been linked with gay women in the past few decades. "But we have been Lesbians for thousands of years," said Lambrou, who publishes a small magazine on ancient Greek religion and technology that frequently criticizes the Christian Church.

Very little is known of Sappho's life. According to some ancient accounts, she was an aristocrat who married a rich merchant and had a daughter with him. One tradition says that she killed herself by jumping off a cliff over an unhappy love affair.

Lambrou says Sappho was not gay. "But even if we assume she was, how can 250,000 people of Lesbian descent _ including women _ be considered homosexual?"

The Homosexual and Lesbian Community of Greece could not be reached for comment.



My thoughts...

1) Someone should really enlighten these people about the perfect-failure record of attempts to legislate language.

2) I don't suppose it occurred to any residents of the island of Lesbos that they could simply pick one of the several other methods of changing a place name into a term for its residents: Lesbosite, Lesbish, Lesbese, etc.

3) They probably haven't thought of the potential devastation that a winning verdict would have on Lesbos' tourism industry, either. I doubt that homosexual women would take the insult kindly. It's a tiny island; they probably can't afford that kind of loss.

4) This overlap actually appears in my main SF setting. One planet in the Freedom System, Gomorrah, has an island continent (its only continent, in fact) called Lesbos. Its residents call themselves Lesbians, whether they are lovers of women or not. (Many are: that planet was settled mainly by women-loving-women.) They find the overlap charming ... probably in much the same way that many Texans are tickled to be called "cowboys" even if they don't make a living from cattle.
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Actually, in Modern Greek, the island's name is pronounces Lesvos, so they could simply try to get the modern orthography adopted.

On a slightly-related note, my conworld has a nation called Oppai. A matriarchy, as are most of the cultures of Western Odira. Well, a while after having named it, I discovered that "oppai" is Japanese slang for "breasts". I decided to keep it. And run with it. So, they're dualists with a mother-goddess religion, and two sacred mountains in their homeland.

You're the second person on my f'list to blog about that. :-)
What's really unclear from this article is whether they're talking about the English word, or a word in Greek being translated as "Lesbian." I noticed it's only the Greek organization that's being sued. Are the Greek words for "someone from Lesbos" and "female homosexual" the same?
Those are good points. I don't know, really; this article is all I've seen on the topic thus far. If other folks have more information to add, that would be helpful.
Actually, this reminds me of a region of Japan in the vicinity of Kyoto. The older, traditional, name was Kinki, literally "around the capital". Another name is Kansai, literally "West of the Barrier/Checkpoint" (in comparison, the area around Tokyto is Kanto, "East of the Barrier/Checkpoint").

Not surprisingly, in English, the Japanese government exclusively uses the name Kansai rather than Kinki.
I am getting a vibe you are not sympathetic to the islanders. But they have a point -- they have been Lesbians for thousands of years, Why should *they* change?
Because they're the ones bitching about the overlap.

Well maybe some group should not be co-opting their ancestral name. Just a thought.
It was the ancestral association with Sappho that started it, and it dates back to her time according to some of the collections of her poetry that I've seen. Bit late to be whinging about it now, in my opinion.

YMMV.
Since I believe that homosexuality is currently illegal in Greece, then this person is expecting us to, what, go to Lesbos and marry a man so we can be Lesbian?

Hmmmm.....

BTW, back in the day, Lesbians used to call themselves "Sapphites", if I am not mistaken.
That's one of the old terms, yes. One of my favorites is the Mexican slang tortillera, tortilla-roller.
ROFL!!! That is funny!

Back in the 80s there was a big deal about what we called ourselves. Were we Lesbians, Gay Women, or Dykes? What we chose indicated a lot about our political position. I don't recall any tortilla-rollers, though.