Elizabeth Barrette (ysabetwordsmith) wrote,
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Why Raising the Retirement Age Is Problematic

This article shows how raising the retirement age harms the poor.  I agree that this is valid. 

However, my main focus is on something else: the older people get, the worse their health gets, on average.  That means older workers have a hard time staying healthy enough to keep a job.  Also, nobody wants to hire older workers, starting around middle age in some fields.  If their health forces them to retire -- or they are forced out of the job market because nobody will hire them -- before they are able to claim Social Security, then they're just screwed.  They often wind up being a drain on society rather than an asset.  This is good for no one.  Conversely, this also makes people cling to employment as long as possible, whether it is prudent and effective or not.  So then some people are constantly calling in sick, or having health issues impact the quality of their work, which is an aggravation for everyone around them.  That can make your day suck no matter how good a job or health you personally have.  Raising the retirement age is socially dysfunctional.  The retirement age should not be based on life expectancy, but rather aimed at the threshold where people's bodies typically decline beyond their ability to sustain full-time work.
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Yes. Logically, as medical technology improves, the actual retirement age will tend to increase. The exception to this is that rich people of any age may retire (because they no longer need to work), but such retirements tend to be of short duration, because such people are often inclined to start second careers once they get bored with leisure.

In fact this whole issue of retiring at 60-70 will seem quaint in a few decades to centuries: by then we'll probably have developed one or more rejuvenation techniques (right now telomerase therapy is looking promising) and will tend to have lifespans averaging well over a century, perhaps well over two centuries. The original technological assumptions underlying the Social Secruity system were flawed, but a political-financial problem is a small price to pay for the coming of emmortality.
I'm not sure what your argument is here. We're not living decades to centuries ahead of ourselves; and if we don't deal with the problems in front of us, our descendants may not be around by then to experience the science of immortality.
Sadly, this applies only if people actually get the medical care. Right now, lots of people aren't getting the care we have the technology to provide already. I doubt that's going to change.

Also we've extended old age more than middle age. That doesn't have the same effect. We've added to the part of life where people are less than healthy.
So true.
This was a serious concern of mine when my husband had a (very minor) stroke. He's been doing GREAT work at the company... but he really could not afford to be seen as "old". Fortunately for us, he seems to have gotten past that... but it's a big concern- and would be more of one if he were not in such an idiosyncratic position.

As far as i can see, raising the retirement age only benefits the corporations that don't pay taxes AND get tax breaks, rather than paying their fair share. Gods forbid we require them to pull their weight!
>> This was a serious concern of mine when my husband had a (very minor) stroke. <<

Yes, exactly.

>> As far as i can see, raising the retirement age only benefits the corporations that don't pay taxes AND get tax breaks, rather than paying their fair share. <<

Yes, this is the problem. If someone is perceived as unemployable by employers, they are unemployable in practice even if they are perfectly capable of working. And if their health actually is too erratic to be compatible with a job, they can't work either. Both of those categories should be covered. They aren't. The only things that get coverage are huge problems that are easily provable with available medical technology, or old age past whatever the government thinks is "old." So large numbers of people aren't protected and they suffer.

>> Gods forbid we require them to pull their weight! <<

For every time I want to drown the government in a bathtub, there are 5 or 10 times I want to drown Big Business in a bathtub. There are almost no checks and balances on business, and people don't get to elect representatives there.
When J had his stroke- and then, a month later, had an episode that turned out NOT to be a stroke, but still had him in the hospital... I was not feeling great about pushing him to go back to work ASAP, but since the division he's in was getting sold, it was REALLY IMPORTANT that he make a show of strength.

Plus, he really does lots better when he goes to work than when he stays home; he loves his job, and staying home depresses him.

Still- it was very disturbing that we decided that he had to get back to work ASAP regardless of the impact on his health.

I, too, am very, VERY appalled at how Big Business has taken over the country.I've recently been reading a Pohl/Kornbluth duology in which companies rule the world- it was written in the 50s, or the first one was, and is alarmingly on-target. And then there's Jennifer Government...

We really need to re-take the means of production fr5om the mega-corps. This is one of the basic reasons why we get most of our food from CSAs, as much as we can; we can afford to do so, and i think it has a positive impact (though said impact is most positive when the CSAs are engaging in economic justice, which our veg CSA is not).

I know not everyone can afford to do this; that's one reason that I feel that- while I CAN afford it, it's important to me to buy from actual makers as much as I can.
>> Still- it was very disturbing that we decided that he had to get back to work ASAP regardless of the impact on his health. <<

I agree. Health decisions should be made based on health and personal needs. They should not be made based primarily on money, although it does need to be considered; nor should they be forced based on someone else's religion, politics, power trip, or other irrelevancies. Because the result of that nonsense is poor health, and it's a key reason why America lags behind all the civilized countries in health.

>>We really need to re-take the means of production fr5om the mega-corps.<<

Yes, this too. We're not really in a CSA position here, but I like the concept and would participate if it were feasible for our household.

We do frequent a farmer's market in summer, and we are members of a food co-op. So sometimes I can have local, organic dairy and eggs, snacks, fresh fruits and vegetables, etc. I also grow a substantial amount of our own fruit and herbs. Tonight's dessert includes berries from our yard ... come to think of it, the meat's from a farmer at the market too. Somebody brought a honkin' big freezer of lamb and goat last year. <3

Every dollar spent is a vote for "more like this." I can't cut the megacorps out completely, but I will by gods shortchange them every chance I get. They've made it plain they don't care if I live or die. I make it plain that I don't care if they go bankrupt. (I really don't. I don't believe they're necessary to human survival. Small and medium business can get the job done.)
Where we are, we do have the option of a lot of CSAs, and we can afford them. (I will mention that our food expenses, doing CSAs as much as possible, are less than a lot of people who do conventional groceries, even though the CSAs are by some trackings more expensive. Anyway.)

At this time we're doing CSAs for: fish, meat, veg (summer through fall), wine, milk, and eggs. That's most of what we eat. We do buy veg in the winter, and flours (I try to buy most from King Arthur, since they're a worker-owned co-op; similarly, as much as I can, I buy Cabot cheese, which is also a co-op which also makes really excellent cheese, especially the cheddars.)

We can afford this. However, when I analyze my food expenses... even though I'm buying the CSA stuff, they are usually at least comparable to the expenses of people who are buying more conventionally.

That's not my main issue, though. I do this because I WANT independent producers (and co-ops) to WORK... and even if it's not economically feasible- at this point I am in a position to patronize them anyway, so I do. It is just a plus that it is not really more expensive than "normal" groceries... though it does require more work to make the edible fuds.

I'd love to join a co-op! They seem to enable one to buy flours and grains at a really decent and fair price. I keep looking...

So yeah- it's about short-changing the mega-corps as much as I can. AND getting better fuds as a result!

I am fortunate to have enough money that I can afford to do this, even when other stuff is cheaper. And that's one of the reasons I DO it- if people like me don't, how can it be made to work????

Plus- it's REALLY tasty. :) Win-win!
CSAs vary in whether they are more, the same, or less expensive than grocery stores. It pays to do the research. Some of them even send a shopper out to compare prices, and post that info on their website.

>>I do this because I WANT independent producers (and co-ops) to WORK...<<

Agreed.

>>though it does require more work to make the edible fuds.<<

A big limitation for us is that I'm only cooking for 2 people most nights. I do a lot better when cooking for 3-5 people. Beyond that it usually goes over to my_partner_doug who prefers to cook for larger groups. But for a small group, I know plenty of tricks to make the work reasonable. I particularly like crockpot cooking. Clean, chunk, dump in pot, ignore for half a day.
I, too, am mostly cooking for 2 people. However, neither of us objects to leftovers- in fact, we tend to prize them- and so something that makes 8 servings is dinner 1-2 nights, and 4-6 lunches. Ever since my husband had a very minor stroke, he's pretty keen on bringing lunch to work rather than eating more salty and less healthy stuff, so that's working out- increases my workload some, but also allows me to use up the array of CSA stuff we get. :)

Like, this past week the 5 whole flounders we got have made 2 dinners (one plain, 1 in fish cakes), and 3 lunches, plus I made the roe into a pate for lunches or breakfasts. So that one was $20 for maybe 8-10 meals; even though it's expensive per se, it's not bad considering the amount of use we get; takes work, though! (The fillets are not as cost-effective; that's $24 for about 2 pounds, and that normally makes maybe 6 meals. Granted those are really fish-heavy meals...)

That's a good example, since it's expensive per pound, but goes a long way; I find this with the meat, too.

Plus all this stuff is pricey enough that I want to make sure not to waste it- and so it pushes me to try new things, and to cook more; we're trying to move to a lower-carb diet, and the relentlessness of the meat and fish help with that. :)

That being said, tonight we're having a meatless pizza; it does have ricotta made from the raw milk, and tomatoes that I roasted and froze last summer. :) And I'm making the crust.

So: I guess i find the CSAs here to be generally more expensive than the stores (the exception is the wine one- that's a great deal!) BUT the way the involvement impacts my cooking means that on the whole we pay about as much as a similar couple who shop conventionally. OK, we almost never go out to eat... :)
my_partner_doug likes leftovers. I don't. However, one thing I do is make big batches of some things that freeze well, such as pear pie filling or spaghetti sauce. I'm tempted to try my hand at making barbecue sauce, so I can create a sloppy joe mix that won't be lightly flavored high-fructose corn syrup.
I saw an idea recently about making lasagna in bread-loaf pans- each pan makes roughly 2 servings. That'd be a great way to make lasagna- cook 1, and freeze the rest!

Homemade BBQ sauce is GREAT (and I'm not a huge BBQ sauce fan), and really easy. I don't think I've had a bad version. Some do use ketchup, so may have some HFCS, but still not as much as the commercial ones. Great for sloppy joes, as well as for pulled pork (or beef or chicken) in the crock-pot! And that also freezes really well, but is often better the next day anyway.
>>Homemade BBQ sauce is GREAT (and I'm not a huge BBQ sauce fan), and really easy. I don't think I've had a bad version. Some do use ketchup, so may have some HFCS, but still not as much as the commercial ones.<<

Clean ketchup I can find now. A couple different brands have started offering organic or HFCS-free ketchup. So that's one option for a base. I am also considering tomato paste, fresh tomatoes, honey, molasses, or apple butter as base ingredients. I like a thick, sweet-sour barbecue sauce.

>> Great for sloppy joes, as well as for pulled pork (or beef or chicken) in the crock-pot! And that also freezes really well, but is often better the next day anyway.<<

Yes, pulled pork is the other main meat besides beef that I was considering. We have a Sam's Club card and they often have whole pork shoulders at amazingly low prices. We quarter the meat and it's ideal for a crock pot feast -- but way too much for 2 people. However, if I could crock the meat, shred it, sauce it, and freeze that then we could have nice pulled pork sandwiches with minimal effort.

But I've hunted all over and it's nearly impossible to find HFCS-free barbecue sauce these days. *sulk* My folding vote sticks out its tongue at their pseudo-food.

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