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Do you 'get' poetry?
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lyonesse From: lyonesse Date: May 13th, 2011 02:13 pm (UTC) (Link)

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"another haggis shortage averted!" lol :)

i have been able to create "poetry converts" just by reading the stuff aloud to them.

i've also found that there's a strong correlation between the length and construction of poem a person will like and their working memory size. structure aids with making longer/more complicated poems more accessible to people with smaller working memories.
ysabetwordsmith From: ysabetwordsmith Date: May 13th, 2011 07:05 pm (UTC) (Link)

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>> i have been able to create "poetry converts" just by reading the stuff aloud to them. <<

Good for you!

I believe that a lot more people would like poetry if they were exposed to good poetry relevant to their interests. Back when I was designing coursework for prison classes, I'd look up stuff by black and Hispanic poets for the assignments. The students were amazed that people wrote poetry about experiences they could relate to. I hooked a lot of people on Robert Hayden.

>> i've also found that there's a strong correlation between the length and construction of poem a person will like and their working memory size. <<

That's interesting. I think it makes sense. *chuckle* I know there are elven forms that humans don't get because their memory-spool isn't long enough.

>> structure aids with making longer/more complicated poems more accessible to people with smaller working memories. <<

Agreed. I've written about the use of poetic techniques for memorizing things. Several times in fishbowls, folks have asked me for a poem aimed at making a given topic easy to remember.
lyonesse From: lyonesse Date: May 13th, 2011 11:46 pm (UTC) (Link)

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robert hayden is amazing.

my usual first-poets-for-newcomers are billy collins, marilyn hacker, and wb yeats.

if you prompt me with an elven form i will write you a poem :)
ysabetwordsmith From: ysabetwordsmith Date: May 14th, 2011 05:34 am (UTC) (Link)

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>> if you prompt me with an elven form i will write you a poem :) <<

The scroll verse, or scroll poem, is similar to an envelope stanza (which rhymes abba) but with a lot more rhymes. Lay out the alphabet with a rhyme for each letter, and then mirror it. All 26 rhymes have to be different. A human will only be able to hear the rhymes in the middle where they are very close to each other (xyzzyx) but an elf can remember the whole batch.

There's a connection with the actual letters too, although I haven't finished figuring it out yet. There may be multiple variations. I'd bet on either alliteration/assonance, initial line letters, or the line's letter appearing in the rhyme word. Take your pick, you've got wiggle room here.

Yes, I like forms so much that I import them from other dimensions. This one is from Hallelaine, my main fantasy world.

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