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Would you like to read about supporting characters from poetic series?
The tip incentives discussion over on crowdfunding is still generating cool ideas.  Recently kytsune suggested this:

Lottery or vote-with-tip: In the case of stories with compelling and strong characters, giving people a lottery technique so that they can submit the name of a character they'd like to see a canonical side story written about and then using that to choose one (or more) to guide bonus stories might be another suitable reward.
I suspect that this could be adapted for use with serial poetry.  Right now, a majority of the contents in a poetic series come out of the Poetry Fishbowls, which have specific themes.  Occasionally an idea grabs me out of the blue, and I'll write that too.  But I haven't really offered an option for enthusiastic fans to request expansions that go outside the usual fishbowl activities.  Making that a tip incentive has potential; it's something that a lot of people would probably like, and it has less potential for overload than just throwing open the gates.

Thoughts?  Does this sound like something you'd enjoy?  If so, what kind of approach might appeal to you?

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aldersprig From: aldersprig Date: March 7th, 2011 06:27 pm (UTC) (Link)
If I had a chance to ask for "one more poem from xx point of view," or a donor-poll for such things, I know my only problem would be figuring out WHICH to ask for.
ysabetwordsmith From: ysabetwordsmith Date: March 7th, 2011 06:39 pm (UTC) (Link)

Hmm...

One possibility would be for me to pick a target series, and swap off which one is featured each month. Another would be to let everyone vote on which series to feature. Then I could draw a donor name from a lottery and let that person describe a sideline poem, or maybe just let donors collectively suggest which character they'd like to see more of since some of those suggestions would probably be the same. There's room to play around with this.
aldersprig From: aldersprig Date: March 7th, 2011 06:42 pm (UTC) (Link)

Re: Hmm...

*nods* any of those would be intriguing. :-)

(I already don' (should be the verb form of donor!) what I can, so I am probably not the best person to comment. ;-)
ysabetwordsmith From: ysabetwordsmith Date: March 7th, 2011 07:20 pm (UTC) (Link)

Re: Hmm...

>> *nods* any of those would be intriguing.<<

Okay, great.

>> (I already don' (should be the verb form of donor!) what I can, so I am probably not the best person to comment. ;-) <<

I want to attract new donors, of course, but I also want to make my current donors happy.
aldersprig From: aldersprig Date: March 7th, 2011 07:39 pm (UTC) (Link)

Re: Hmm...

I'm easy to make happy. ;-) Seeing my prompts turned into poems makes me bounce.
ysabetwordsmith From: ysabetwordsmith Date: March 8th, 2011 01:38 am (UTC) (Link)

Re: Hmm...

That's good to hear. I like seeing my prompts fleshed out, when I post ideas for other people.
aldersprig From: aldersprig Date: March 8th, 2011 01:39 am (UTC) (Link)

Re: Hmm...

Yep! :-)

(I had a lot of fun with yours, during the Drakeathon!)
ysabetwordsmith From: ysabetwordsmith Date: March 8th, 2011 02:00 am (UTC) (Link)

Re: Hmm...

I'm so happy to hear that. Collaboration is fun.
eseme From: eseme Date: March 8th, 2011 02:58 am (UTC) (Link)
Polling the audience for which serial to feature would be neat.

You mentioned breaking up the fishbowl into two parts because it gets so active. You might be able to do a featured series in one part and more general poems in the other.

For instance, start off the month with a fishbowl and get prompts. Post and feature non-serial poems. Later in the month, post serial poems. You might need to post more freebie poems, (four instead of two), or not. People would also have two or three weeks to find money to sponsor serial poems, which could result in more being published.

Not sure. It's an idea, anyway.
ysabetwordsmith From: ysabetwordsmith Date: March 8th, 2011 03:50 am (UTC) (Link)

Thank you!

I appreciate the feedback.

>> Polling the audience for which serial to feature would be neat.<<

Cool.

>> You mentioned breaking up the fishbowl into two parts because it gets so active. You might be able to do a featured series in one part and more general poems in the other. <<

*laugh* Doug was just mentioning something like this today. Great minds think alike! I am considering it, as the participation is definitely up.

>>You might need to post more freebie poems, (four instead of two), or not.<<

Not a problem, I write high volume poetry anyhow. I can afford to give some away for promotional purposes.

If I'm going to split the fishbowl, I'll probably wait a few months on that. The fishbowl tends to lower participation and funding in late spring and summer. I don't want to confuse that with the effect of the splitting.
eseme From: eseme Date: March 9th, 2011 12:18 am (UTC) (Link)

Re: Thank you!

You're welcome!

I do think people like funding the serials, so posting summaries early in the month, and leaving donations open until the second post may father funding. Periodic updates as to what has been sponsored (or how much of an epic was sponsored) would help.
ysabetwordsmith From: ysabetwordsmith Date: March 9th, 2011 06:06 am (UTC) (Link)

Re: Thank you!

>>I do think people like funding the serials, so posting summaries early in the month, and leaving donations open until the second post may father funding.<<

I don't officially close donations now, although at some point I do submit the unsold poems to other markets. Most donations come during the three or so days following a fishbowl, though, so I would probably do the count on the weekend. That way the serial activity could be announced on Monday and launched on Tuesday (the high-traffic days).

>>Periodic updates as to what has been sponsored (or how much of an epic was sponsored) would help.<<

Open epics get mentioned during the Monday updates. Hm, it hadn't occurred to me to post a count; I've just done things like say "this is over half done now" or "one more verse is left." But I can go edit them to say how many verses of the total are visible. Thanks!
From: minor_architect Date: March 9th, 2011 03:23 am (UTC) (Link)
I do like the idea of being offered glimpses into the lives of the side-characters from one or more of your poetry series. And I think Doug and Eseme's idea of using that as the basis for your "second Fishbowls" sounds good, too.

On a more personal note, I certainly wouldn't mind seeing this go into production later this year or even next year, since that's when I'll be able to donate to crowdfunded projects again. (Not to say you shouldn't try it earlier if the timing seems right, of course. I'm just letting you know where my own budget stands. :)
ysabetwordsmith From: ysabetwordsmith Date: March 9th, 2011 04:03 am (UTC) (Link)

Thoughts

>> I do like the idea of being offered glimpses into the lives of the side-characters from one or more of your poetry series. And I think Doug and Eseme's idea of using that as the basis for your "second Fishbowls" sounds good, too. <<

I am currently thinking about combining those ideas, so that basically if the main fishbowl's activity gets high enough, it'll activate an overflow fishbowl focused on a given series. That should make it so the secondary activity won't happen sooner than people's interest level merits it.

>> On a more personal note, I certainly wouldn't mind seeing this go into production later this year or even next year, since that's when I'll be able to donate to crowdfunded projects again. <<

I'm also toying with smaller-scale ideas that might be doable sooner, without running into a problem due to the summer doldrums. I have yet to figure out how to compensate for that dip, but I keep trying new things. It helps to know what things make people's ears perk up.
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ysabetwordsmith From: ysabetwordsmith Date: March 9th, 2011 06:40 pm (UTC) (Link)

Yay!

Thanks for the feedback.
the_vulture From: the_vulture Date: March 29th, 2011 07:50 am (UTC) (Link)
It might be interesting to pursue some of the characters and themes in media other than poetry. For example, perhaps a short story or two about some of the reoccurring characters, like the Origami Mage and her counterpart. Somehow, the idea of an illustrated storybook about the Monster House tickles me. :)
ysabetwordsmith From: ysabetwordsmith Date: March 30th, 2011 08:31 pm (UTC) (Link)

Okay...

I am potentially open to trying that sort of thing, if folks want to sponsor it. The main limitation is that I have far more control over what I can do with poetry compared to fiction.
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