Elizabeth Barrette (ysabetwordsmith) wrote,
Elizabeth Barrette
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The Words We Say

I've been saying things much like this about the recent shooting, just shorter.
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Part of me wanted to snap back with something rude like "I watch the news," but then my own beliefs about the media came back to me and I realized no one can trust anything on the news. It's all lies, distortions, propaganda, and sensationalism. And that part of me that wanted to be rude also just truly cannot grasp why anyone would ever vote Republican. But, to be honest, though I vote Democrat, I hate both major parties and think it's well past time they were disbanded. Both parties are severely disconnected from the people and what the people want. I vote Democrat because their values are more in line with mine, and they get more good things done (I cannot think of a single good thing the Republican party has given us since before McCarthy), but both parties are deeply corrupt. We need to ban corporate lobbying, ban corporations from giving politicians campaign money, take away corporate personhood, disband both major parties, and start over again.

You know, if I thought they had any chance of winning at all, I'd be voting either Green or Socialist.
See, I would do things very differently. But now we are talking. That's a start.

I agree that pretty much all of the news is spin. One way or the other.

I agree that the parties do not represent the people.

I vote republican because they come closer to my view of what is right. Not in every instance, I don't like "legislating morality", I am pro choice, against the "drug war", and have problems on a whole host of other issues. Lesser of evils hey?

I am fairly happy with the republicans since the mid-terms. I think that a full reading of the constitution is an excellent way to start a legislative session.

I can't see anything "good" having come out of the democrat party since before FDR. But that's my view.

As for how I would fix the things that are broken... I would start by forbidding the government from bargaining with collective entities. I would remove many many restrictions on economic activity, and would repeal or subject to the amendment process, all the extra-constitutional laws (starting with the new deal).
I would amend the constitution to state that all laws sunset every alternate year, that no law may be voted on by anyone who was not present for a full reading of the legislative language, including all references.
I don't like "legislating morality", I am pro choice, against the "drug war", and have problems on a whole host of other issues.

When you strip away all that from the Republican party, what is left? When you consider they aren't even true to their old ideals anymore... they certainly haven't been budget conservative for a long damn time, and they're only against taxes for the rich; the rest of us can go suck an egg as far as they're concerned.

Which economic restrictions would you lift? I think we don't have enough restrictions, judging by the fact that all these businesses keep taking off to other parts to exploit foreign workers. We need some kind of restriction to stop this labor outsourcing, it's killing our own economy.

all the extra-constitutional laws (starting with the new deal).

What's wrong with the new deal?

I would amend the constitution to state that all laws sunset every alternate year, that no law may be voted on by anyone who was not present for a full reading of the legislative language, including all references.

What does that even mean?
If I answer your questions, you are going to start calling me names again.

There is really a lot left of the republican party other than my disagreement points. Mainly in the sphere of property rights and general freedom. Which are important to me.
forbidding the government from bargaining with collective entities

Despite the many things you and I hold in intense disagreement, this is a point I agree with and strongly advocate, given some thought to implementation. Limiting governance By The People to the voices of individuals is important for the sake of balance. However, political action groups and other political lobbies serve a purpose in the aggregation of contact, and monetary influence is still felt.

The poorest person is still a voice. The richest person is still a voice. Who should have more influence, and how can that be ensured? That's something I think about often.
Just to clarify, I was talking about government employees unions. Reason being, in collective bargaining between corporations and unions, there is a classic adversarial arrangement, and both sides have tools at their disposal. In government negotiations with unions, it is a cooperative arrangement on how to distribute the wealth of the people of the nation (or state, or whatever). All the tools go to the union, so it works out very badly for the main course. This is the primary reason that federal pay is now double private sector pay for the same experience and education level.


Moving on to lobbyists and voices.

The classical answer is that each person has the same voice in government.

That will mean that the rich wind up with more influence, because they have better tools to disseminate their information and more potent incentives. The factory owner has the factory as a platform from which to tell his employees "this law is bad for our company, if it passes, 100 of you lose their jobs". In a decent world, saying something like that would be perfectly acceptable behavior. It also means that if the employees dislike that company, they may vote for the law out of spite.

I have no particular problem with money and lobbies having *some* influence. The problem is when the influences of certain small groups with loud voices overwhelm the voices of larger groups.
I think cutting money is more important than cutting groups. It's okay for people to have collective interests. What's not okay is when those groups bribe politicians to do things that hurt people. I don't care how much you dress it up in a tutu and toe shoes: if it involves money flowing from someone who wants something, to a person of influence, and results in action favoring the money-giver ... that is bribery, baksheesh, and corruption.