Elizabeth Barrette (ysabetwordsmith) wrote,
Elizabeth Barrette
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The Words We Say

I've been saying things much like this about the recent shooting, just shorter.
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I know.

Things have gone *so* insane about this. and I agree, his motivations were more likely to be related to alien invasion than healthcare. I am just having trouble with the hatred that is being spewed my way in the last few days. It does not fill me with warm fuzzies. I am really at a loss for knowing how to deal civilly with those that are calling for my imprisonment.
Me too. The first thing I saw about this on twitter was a woman I think of rather well saying 'See, GOP, you finally got what you wanted.'

...

I thought what I wanted was fiscal responsibility, greater state than federal power, and less government over all?

What if this is what the shooting was supposed to do? Turn us against each other? Why are people taking the bait? I am very disappointed and disheartened.
I personally think that even that is ascribing way too much coherent motivation to this shooter. I watched his youtubes and listened to the interviews with his classmates and such. The rationalities of the truly insane cannot be comprehended by the sane. Remember that "catcher in the rye" told Mark David Chapman to kill John Lennon.


Yeah, that's pretty much what I wanted too.
So if it's obvious that the guy was a lunatic, and not even a political one, why is everyone assuming he was a Republican? And why does no one talk about the conservative judge he also shot?

I am really disappointed in my friends and acquaintances. This is not the community of diversity and tolerance that they talk about. This is not the considered 'assess before we assume' environment that they have told me we all belong in. I don't expect moral, laudable or even responsible behavior from politicians and the media. But my own fellow citizens, and people who know and interact with me? :(
They are assuming he is a republican because he shot someone.

In particular, he shot someone that Sarah Palin put a croshairs on (well technically, her district, not her personally). Because goodness knows, no true scotsman would ever shoot someone. And the fact that Dkos had, the prior day announced "gabby giffords is dead to me", was completely different. But remember, before anyone knew who he was, before.... Before the echoes had died down, the buzz was all about how it was Palins fault.

Really, I am having difficulties with this one. I am having trouble maintaining courtesy with people calling for my imprisonment. I am having trouble remembering *why* I should retain courtesy.
I've been having trouble since the election, really. Things are going really wrong, and while I regularly ignore the national level (which I can't affect), the fact that it spills into things as local and affective as my Friends-list is... painful. And worrisome.
>>So if it's obvious that the guy was a lunatic, and not even a political one, why is everyone assuming he was a Republican?<<

I'm not sure I'd call anything obvious at this point. The input I'm seeing is still scattered and contradictory. I've not spotted a good, thorough, rational, nonpartisan analysis yet.

>> And why does no one talk about the conservative judge he also shot?<<

I've seen a numeration of victims and listings with partial descriptions. Don't think I've seen one talking about the conservative judge in that specific phrasing. If you spot one, point me to it? A discussion of hit (and possibly aimed) targets could be useful. Sheesh, if nobody else does it, why don't you? You're asking good questions here.

One possibility that occurs to me, considering that the hit targets included a Democrat and a conservative, is that the aimed target(s) may have been along the lines of "the government" or "durn politicians" rather than "Democrats" or "conservatives."

>>I am really disappointed in my friends and acquaintances. This is not the community of diversity and tolerance that they talk about. This is not the considered 'assess before we assume' environment that they have told me we all belong in.<<

*sigh* Let's say I've not been thrilled with some what my liberal friends have been posting.

Still, consider that most folks gravitate toward discussions and newsfeeds that agree with them. That creates an echo-chamber effect. The first bunch of news you hear on a topic will usually reflect your views closely. If you want a counterpoint you have to hunt for it. That's why I keep an ear out for conservative friends and a handful of conservative feeds.

So, now I know that the hit targets weren't politically monofocal; that undercuts (but does not disprove completely) the argument that the shooter was influenced by Republican ranters. If the rant advocates want to uphold their argument, they have to come up with a way of explaining that data point. However, just saying "he's crazy" isn't sufficient either; while there's some evidence of mental imbalance, he still had to have some kind of goal in mind. If it was as vague as "I hate the world and want to shoot everybody" then that requires ruling out more specific targeting first. And figuring out what was going on in the mind of a disturbed individual during a shooting, based on the fragments of his work that we can see and the glorified slush pile of modern media ... will be difficult if not impossible. So people take shortcuts by reading someone else's conclusions, and that's how we get the barking madness now going on.

>> I don't expect moral, laudable or even responsible behavior from politicians and the media. But my own fellow citizens, and people who know and interact with me?<<

Well, at least your audience and mine go berserk less often than average.

It is just so, so easy to lump people together in big bundles and sort them all as if they were the same. The culture encourages that too -- when you have racism, sexism, and a host of other isms then people get into that habit. Politics is just another mass-sort-function. It has exactly the same drawback as all the other isms, which is that people aren't cookie-cutters. (I saw a bumper sticker the other day, "Prayerfully pro-choice." Now that must be an uncomfortably small minority stance.) If you judge people based on stereotypes, you'll run up your error rate. Then it's hard to get people to talk with each other, and that causes lots of yelling, and we're right back on the vicious circle ferris-wheel in which everyone is unhappy and little if anything gets accomplished.
One of the interesting things regarding the judge: his killing brings in the federal application of the death penalty. The only murder statute that exists at the federal level refers exclusively to killing federal employees. It is capital. All the other charges are state level. While Arizone does have the death penalty, it is likely that the federal statute will supersede.
>>I thought what I wanted was fiscal responsibility, greater state than federal power, and less government over all?<<

I actually don't disagree with the base concepts. I'd be happier if the government had less to do. It's frustrating that we're not doing a good job of meeting needs at a lower, more effective level.

>>What if this is what the shooting was supposed to do? Turn us against each other? Why are people taking the bait? I am very disappointed and disheartened.<<

It reminds me very much of the 9/11 attack, which missed the White House but scored a direct hit on the American way of life. We've done more damage to ourselves than any outsider ever could. And I think people are taking the bait ... because they are trained to do that. The overall media input encourages people to jump to conclusions without examining the facts first.

If someone flips out and shoots people, I'll look at the early reports and start making some educated guesses. But the targeting of a Democrat and the gunsights on Palin's website are 'soft' input, not hard. There's also that conservative judge you mentioned. Do we know who he was aiming for? Possibly not; since one victim was a child, the shooter was presumably spraying lead at random during at least part of his raid. So that makes it harder to pin down what happened and why.

I suspect that one reason people connect "shooter" with "conservative dialog" is that by and large conservatives like guns and liberals don't. (Remember I'm counterchanged on this point.) Another is that, while the hostile language is all but ubiquitous, the language advocating violence is more often coming from conservatives. It's rarely possible to pin down a one-to-one connection and say "This message caused this act of violence." (Comic books and roleplaying games don't cause people to shoot each other, although they are sometimes fingered as a cause.) What we have is an overall culture that condones and encourages verbal abuse and incivility. Well, those things typically lead to the dehumanization of others, and to more physical types of violence; we can hardly be surprised that people who are taught violence and not taught rationality or emotional control are more likely to flip out and kill each other.

The middle of the bell curve is always going to represent what you teach and what you reward. There will necessarily be some variation, and it will go in both directions. When the middle is full of verbal hostility and a lack of fellow-feel, then one low curve is going to hold your pacifists and the other is going to hold people who go postal -- and the hump will be leaning toward the latter.

If we want a peaceable society full of citizens who work out their problems in ways that rarely involve guns or lawsuits, then we have to teach people to respect each other, discuss issues factually, disagree without being disagreeable, manage their own emotions, take responsibility for their actions, and generally behave like adults. Sadly that doesn't seem to be a popular line of education.