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Swimming with the Student Loan Sharks

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This is kind of a trigger for me. I went to England to teach and put myself through hell, eventually destroying any desire I had to teach... all to try and keep up with the payments... and then failing at that.

I am 40 years old with no house, no car, or any other major assets, as I live in perpetual fear that these could be taken from me at any given moment. My career is dead before it really got to begin. My future is destroyed, ironically by the very thing that was supposed to help me build it.

In a way, perhaps, I am somewhat fortunate: Canadian laws regarding Student Loans are not quite as draconian as American and there IS an end in sight for me. Still, I have to say that I completely and utterly regret having ever signed on that damnable line.

If any of you reading this are considering taking out a student loan, FOR THE LOVE OF ALL THINGS HOLY, DON'T! There are NO guarantees in life. There are NO guarantees that an education will help you build a life. But if you find yourself in the grim circumstance of having to default on a student loan, you ARE guaranteed to go through hell for it. Whatever you think you will get from your education, it's not worth the risk. Save up, do summer work, move in with your folks if you have to, to afford your education, but DO NOT take out a student loan!

Yep.

I never had a future,
so it's not as if mine were destroyed,
but any hope I might have had would have been destroyed.

And when I reach retirement age, things will get much worse.
*sigh*
Retirement? What's that?
It's a socially responsible practice allowing older people to leave the workforce, as their physical and perhaps mental faculties gradually decline, while enabling them to continue living in reasonable comfort as thanks for their contributions to society during their prime years. Sadly, it is going out of fashion, which causes all kinds of problems.

Re: Well...

the_vulture

10 years ago

Re: Well...

ysabetwordsmith

10 years ago

>>This is kind of a trigger for me. I went to England to teach and put myself through hell, eventually destroying any desire I had to teach... all to try and keep up with the payments... and then failing at that.<<

I'm sorry to hear that. It's not uncommon, though. This problem doesn't just wreck individual lives; it's a far-flung channel trap that drives people out of the middle class.

>>There are NO guarantees that an education will help you build a life. <<

What makes this such an effective trap is: It's almost impossible to make a sufficient living without a college degree. Almost all jobs require one now, even if it is irrelevant to the work, even if one has relevant experience. More and more, even the menial jobs that don't pay enough to live on require it. A college degree has become the equivalent of what a high school diploma used to be, except that it costs a huge amount of money rather than being provided free through public schools.

Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
Ya wanna know what's REALLY sad? The job I'm doing now doesn't require a university degree. Both of my freakin' bachelor's degrees have little bearing on how I'm keeping bread on the table. And, frankly, I've got a higher standard of living than when I was teaching. Heck, my brother is making over $60k a year as corporate sales support for wireless networks... WITHOUT a college or university degree. So, at least in Canada, if you can't earn or save enough money for higher education, there are still options out there. I know, however, the US job situation is a bit more dire.

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ysabetwordsmith

10 years ago

That's bad. I didn't know about things not being able to get rid of them in bankruptcy or garnishing wages or stuff. That's ridiculous.
I noticed the article does not mention the other way student loans hurt students: they drive up tuition prices, the same way easy access to lending from Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac drove up housing prices. D:
I think there's a mention, down towards the bottom, that higher tuition means higher loans so there's no incentive to keep prices down because people benefit from the hikes.

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>>She is already a benefit to society, and she could become an even greater one. And yet, we're struggling to send her to college. <<

Yes, this is a serious problem.

>>America doesn't give a damn about the future of its kids, unless those kids are already rich. There is quite a bit that is terribly wicked about the current financial situation in regard to American higher education. <<

Too true.

>>Research the cost of higher education here as opposed to most of the rest of the supposedly civilized world. It's disgusting how much other countries invest in their futures, and how little America invests in its future. The cost of textbooks alone are enough to break the backs of at least some American families.<<

There are a great many ways in which people are expected to pay more, often while getting less for it, while earnings stagnate or shrink. The result is, of course, economic collapse for individuals and families -- and then for parts of the larger economy.

>>"Make a buck", that's the American motto, even if it runs contrary to "make a future".<<

Sadly so. People are going to find out the hard way that strip-mining the future is a very bad idea.
>>She is already a benefit to society, and she could become an even greater one. And yet, we're struggling to send her to college. <<

Yes, this is a serious problem.

>>America doesn't give a damn about the future of its kids, unless those kids are already rich. There is quite a bit that is terribly wicked about the current financial situation in regard to American higher education. <<

Too true.

>>Research the cost of higher education here as opposed to most of the rest of the supposedly civilized world. It's disgusting how much other countries invest in their futures, and how little America invests in its future. The cost of textbooks alone are enough to break the backs of at least some American families.<<

There are a great many ways in which people are expected to pay more, often while getting less for it, while earnings stagnate or shrink. The result is, of course, economic collapse for individuals and families -- and then for parts of the larger economy.

>>"Make a buck", that's the American motto, even if it runs contrary to "make a future".<<

Sadly so. People are going to find out the hard way that strip-mining the future is a very bad idea.

wolfbrotherjoe

September 9 2010, 13:49:37 UTC 10 years ago Edited:  September 9 2010, 13:52:06 UTC

This is the obvious result of the idea that *everyone* should go to college, that the government has to help with it, without thinking about the money involved. It's a very logical progression of well-meaning ideas that suddenly run head-first into the brick wall of reality.

It's not some 'dark conspiracy' of corporate greed, like the page tries to make it out to be. It's just the standard run of unintended consequences resultant of an overactive, over-regulating government.
>>This is the obvious result of the idea that *everyone* should go to college,<<

I do not believe that everyone needs to go to college. Not all jobs require that kind of academic training. However, the business world disagrees with me, and has collectively made it necessary. Getting any kind of job now is difficult without a college degree; getting one that pays enough to live on, without a college degree is all but impossible.

I'm also disgusted with the hyperspecialization that makes most degrees of very limited use and requires much retraining to change jobs.

Of course, if the colleges continue to price themselves out of the market, the shadow economy will continue to grow. That could get ... interesting.

>> that the government has to help with it, without thinking about the money involved.<<

However much education is required in order to function as an adult, the government should provide, because otherwise people will not get it and duly educated citizens will not be available to those wishing to hire them. Inventing truly universal public education was one of America's most brilliant ideas. Everyone said it was a ridiculous idea, but it worked and the results were splendid. And then we let it fall apart. That makes me sick.

>>It's not some 'dark conspiracy' of corporate greed, like the page tries to make it out to be.<<

Based on my observations of Sallie Mae etc. destroying people's lives, I am inclined to judge them harshly. YMMV, according to your own experiences.
"Getting any kind of job now is difficult without a college degree; getting one that pays enough to live on, without a college degree is all but impossible."

This isn't a cause, this is a result. This is the result of 'everyone should go to college', so that the market is so *glutted* with useless degrees that if you don't have one, it's like you're missing something standard. This is the result of the government trying to give everyone 'advanced education' in some well-meaning intent to ... well... do something unrealistic.

Universal education is magnificent... but that doesn't need to progress to the point of college. I agree that the government should help provide everyone the choice for the basic education you need to succeed as an adult ... but that doesn't include college.

However, the problem becomes that when the government *tried* to make that include college, it adversely affected the business world so that it *seemed* more like one needed a college education, making everything quite tangled up.

Based on my observations of Sallie Mae etc. destroying people's lives, I am inclined to judge them harshly. YMMV, according to your own experiences.

All right, that's fair enough... but seeing as Sallie Mae is an example of GOVERNMENT, not of business, why would you be blaming business? I mean, sure. As of 2004, it's a business in its own right, but for over 30 years prior to that, it was a 'government-sponsored' business, which was in the business of handing out *government* loans, ruled over by government oversight committees, and basically under government control.

The 2005 law making private student loans the same as government loans was in part a result of privatizing the main government loan granter, and leveling the playing field. I view this as a good thing, because with the damage now becoming more and more apparent, it's more likely the law will change for the better. Or at least, the law probably will change for the better, provided people sensibly blame the government regulations and charity that caused the problem, rather than senselessly blaming corporations.

You're absolutely right. Sallie Mae, the *government creation*, is the core example of what's ruining people's lives.

Which is why we shouldn't blame corporations for this.

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