Elizabeth Barrette (ysabetwordsmith) wrote,
Elizabeth Barrette
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Big Brother Is Watching Your Car

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To play devil's advocate: The police do not need a warrant to follow someone physically; why should they need a warrant to follow someone technologically?

Let me be very clear: I am pretty sure that I dislike the idea of tagging someone's vehicle with a GPS without getting a warrant. However, I do see the possible counter-argument above, and am interested in exploring it.
If they have a warrant, it's reasonable, but ONLY with a warrant.
>>The police do not need a warrant to follow someone physically; why should they need a warrant to follow someone technologically?<<

Variously:

If the police see someone doing something suspicious and follow them right away, that's part of their regular job. If they have a suspicion about someone and want to follow them regularly then they ought to have to prove probable cause for that, because it's bad to have people spying on each other for no good reason. (I don't know what the law is in this regard. That's just my stance.)

Following a specific person affects primarily that person. Putting a trace on a vehicle could potentially affect other people who use that vehicle, who could thus be considered involved in a crime they don't actually know anything about. That guilt-by-association is already a severe problem in the "war on drugs" and does not need to be made any worse.

Following a person may be done in public space. Putting a trace on a vehicle may also -- or it may involve entering private property without a warrant, which is something to be discouraged.

I simply do not trust the government to use this power responsibly, especially without the oversight of having to get a warrant. The abuses of power and invasions of privacy are piling up in what I find to be an alarming manner, and they are NOT making for a safe or sane place to live. This makes me inclined to fight each new incursion.
...is that I'm going to put a plan in motion to move the workshop into the house area or something so I can put the cars in the garage at some point.

Either that or I'll be extending the garage further out into the driveway.

Because this is _so_ not okay.

On the other hand since it was applied in secret I consider that permission to "re-apply" the tracker elsewhere.

Like maybe a congressman's vehicle. B-)
>> On the other hand since it was applied in secret I consider that permission to "re-apply" the tracker elsewhere.

Like maybe a congressman's vehicle. B-) <<

Good for you!

Though I suppose, personally, I have little to worry about even if someone tried this on a vehicle I frequent. I'm lucky if I can keep from killing hardware I'm trying to protect. Nonpermissioned hardware would have a very short life expectancy.

And I'm sure someone will make money devising debugger scanners.
That's good to know.

I had for a time enjoyed being in a world that wasn't so spy-crazy, but it's nice that there's equipment for dealing with one that is.

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On the other hand since it was applied in secret I consider that permission to "re-apply" the tracker elsewhere.

Like maybe a congressman's vehicle. B-)


Dale's suggestion was "an ambulance". Or, "Great. Set up a pattern, and keep a second clunker somewhere else within walking distance. When you're ready to do something illegal, send the wife and kids to the zoo in the bugged car and go about your business otherwise." Or, "Okay, cool. Get a laptop and your own tracking program, and spoof the signal."

Dale is ... creative. I'm glad he's never decided to take up a life of crime.
*grin*

Oh I don't know...I think all geeks have within them the potential to be great criminals. And that will be shown if there is ever a full-blown revolution in this country because a lot of people at the top don't understand how to run things.

And most don't understand how truly dangerous technology mis-applied can be.

But yeah I'm glad that most of the people I know haven't turned to a life of crime because the majority of them would be able to do some nasty nasty nasty stuff.

Huh. Just thought of another one or three.

Take it with you on the train and stick it to the underside of one of the seats.

Or mail it somewhere.

Attach it to a buoy and float it into the middle of a large lake.

Take a taxi to the nearest city, drop your pen on the floor, and attach it to the underside of the front passenger seat, take the train home.

Attach it to a weather balloon and let it go. Or even a regular balloon.

Incorporate it into a sculpture and sell it on E-bay.

(...)

I'm sure I'll come up with a few more given time. ;-)
Hmm, wrap it in bread and feed it to a pigeon.

>>Dale is ... creative. I'm glad he's never decided to take up a life of crime.<<

I am rather worried about the state of society today, and the degree to which it attempts to crush young people. Thwarted genius tends to become destructive, and I would rather that people had positive than negative outlets for their abilities.
The best part is when you realize a stalking and abusive ex could legally just stick one on the underside of your vehicle and it is perfectly legal.
I wouldn't necessarily make that leap. It might still be illegal for random people to trace each other's cars. Of course, that doesn't mean they won't do it: the potential for abuse is extremely high, and orders of protection are very flimsy armor indeed. *sigh* Which is a whole new hassle for women's shelters and domestic abuse services to have to deal with now, trying to make sure nobody's car is bugged.
I don't know about that. I think when certain acts become legal for police officers, it creates "legal" permission for other people also.
Have written to my two Senators, the St. Sen & Assembly Rep. oh, forgot my Congress rep--I'll go take care of that now.
I appreciate your support of privacy.

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