Solar Energy Passes Nuclear Energy on Cost
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July 27 2010, 03:57:45 UTC 10 years ago
I found the remark telling that "No one has built a reactor to contemporary [US] standards." This means that the standards are themselves fantastic, an artificial construct of government bureaucrats. We are far from the only nation that runs nuclear power facilities. We're just too stupid to do so safely.
Who wins is never a surprise when the game is rigged. Not surprisingly, Wall Street refuses to bet in games where the government can declare a winner and take the entire pot.
I personally lay a chunk of the blame for the BP disaster on our nation's failure to pursue nuclear energy as a viable alternative to Big Oil and foreign adventurism.
In actually, of course, it's all nuclear energy -- it's just that the reactor is a bit further away and outside our control.
Well...
July 27 2010, 04:03:30 UTC 10 years ago
Re: Well...
July 27 2010, 04:25:31 UTC 10 years ago
The science of risk analysis is well advanced, as is operations management. Nuclear power systems are complex where solar power (at the user level) is very simple. The approximate complexity of nuclear power operations rivals that of spaceflight, the Intensive Care Unit, naval submarine operations, and other late 20th century technology systems that rely heavily on humans doing their part. Without ways of eliminating human error from the equation, none of the listed technologies would work.
Failing to do so is one cause of that river of blood from automobile wrecks.
My quarrel with the Big Oil systems is largely that we know how to do it safely, and we don't, for reasons of short-sighted economics, bad policy and lack of attention that costs lives. We know nuclear is dangerous so we watch it carefully -- thus the end result is that it can be done far more safely.
The waste products of nuclear power are relatively small (small enough to store on site in the absence of a national processing facility) and degrade over time, unlike high level chemical wastes which remain lethal forever.
Chernobyl cost us a valley in the Ukraine for a few hundred years. Big Oil has now cost us a big chunk of the wetlands bordering the Gulf of Mexico, more like forever.
July 27 2010, 10:38:07 UTC 10 years ago
I'm all for cheaper energy, though, given how many computers are in our family. If solar power really is competitive I'd buy it.
Speaking of alternate energy sources: have any of y'all recently driven northwest from Indianapolis on I-65? There is a HONKING big wind farm just north of Lafayette that is still growing! The first time I took that road a few years back [in my boxy pickup truck with the camper shell] a friend warned me off the crosswind hazard there. I'm glad to see that someone recognized that as a resource and hope their company is making money.
July 27 2010, 12:15:13 UTC 10 years ago
There's also the point that once you've built both types of plants, while solar doesn't need much more than the occasional wipe down by the equivalent of a window cleaner in terms of maintainable, nuclear plants need expensive and specialised upkeep as well as refuelling every few years, and the fuel is the single most expensive component in there.
Good point!
July 27 2010, 17:25:01 UTC 10 years ago
July 27 2010, 15:47:48 UTC 10 years ago
I direct you to Former 'No Nukes' Protester: Stop Worrying and Love Nuclear Power and Sp!ked's Ten myths about nuclear power.
And nuclear technology is improving as well become more efficient and more safe such as Thorium reactors.
July 27 2010, 17:00:27 UTC 10 years ago
Yes the waste from nuclear is dangerous and yes the things are expensive to build and decomission, but both the environmental and economic costs of nuclear are far less than the other baseload options which are available. In particular, coal and gas are far more problematic than any modern nuclear reactor.
Also, you'll find that the chances of another Chernobyl are vanishingly small as many of the innate flaws in the chernobyl reactor which allowed the disaster to even have the possibility of occuring have since been rectified in most susequent designs worldwide. Any current designs are simply incapable of failing in quite such a catastrophic way. At least not without someone actively sabotaging the whole thing and even then it should be very difficult to cause anything more than a highly localized disaster.
Ultimately the world is going to have to rely on nuclear power for bulk energy generation until some new technology with equivalent generation capability arises (personally I'm hoping for fusion, but I don't expect it to be viable for at least a couple decades if not more) If we can get solar cells which are capabile of capturing more than 40% of the energy from the light that strikes them, great! but I do not believe we can rely on them for the amounts of energy the world will ultimately require, and other renewable energy technologies such as hydroelectric, wind and wave power have their own restrictions which limit their use.
Appologies for the huge rambling comment.