Elizabeth Barrette (ysabetwordsmith) wrote,
Elizabeth Barrette
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Intent to Kill

Laid out in considerable detail, this post explores what happened to the deceased Gaza activists.  This is an excellent example of a basic premise: if you want captives, send police; if you want corpses, send soldiers.  Their training is different, and you get what you pay for.

I do not consider Israel a civilized nation.  (I wish it would have been, but sheesh and baksheesh, Germany  is accruing beans faster on the civilized side of the scale.)  I sincerely wish that America would stop sending money there.  It is funding atrocities.  This costs America a lot of civilized beans.
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Elizabeth, I am highly disappointed in you. I am Jewish and a Zionist and your comment is highly offensive to me. Israel has the right to exist and to defend itself. FYI, Israel is a very civilized nation, a very developed nation to say the least and there is enough evidence out there to prove this. This comment is made out of ignorance and hatred. Something I would have never expected from someone so well-read and so educated. My God, I am truly appalled.

I am sorry. Seriously. But I will unfriend you. There is nothing further I would like to read from someone with such views.

>> Elizabeth, I am highly disappointed in you. I am Jewish and a Zionist and your comment is highly offensive to me. Israel has the right to exist and to defend itself. <<

You're entitled to your opinion, but I'm also entitled to mine. I believe that a country has the right to defend itself. I don't believe that it has the right to do so in ways that are overbearing and destructive to other nations. Whether it has the right to exist ... I think that wanting a homeland is a fine and reasonable goal, but based on observed actions, the Jews in Israel are making a painful mess of it. To me, that's disappointing. I'm not going to give them a free pass on obnoxious behavior just because they're Jews and have been victimized for centuries and finally have a place of their own. They're wrecking it -- and that's not a surprise, given that most of the Middle East is a wreck and they've been culturally traumatized for ages. But it is a problem, and now it's their problem.

>> FYI, Israel is a very civilized nation, a very developed nation to say the least and there is enough evidence out there to prove this. <<

Sorry, but what I have seen of Israel's behavior does not qualify it as civilized on my scale. Neither is the United States, in which I live, or some other countries whose behavior I've criticized before. Humanity is a rough race yet. You're entitled to use a different standard for civilization if you wish, but that doesn't allow you to take away my standard.

>> This comment is made out of ignorance and hatred. <<

That statement is factually inaccurate. I've studied history; I have an awareness of Jewish background and how Israel was formed and a fair number of things it's done since it was formed. Those things play into the current situation. I don't hate Jews; I find the culture interesting. I don't hate Israel, but I am increasingly frustrated by its behavior and the amount of trouble it is causing for itself and other people. It is entirely possible to disapprove on a logical and practical level.

>> I am sorry. Seriously. But I will unfriend you. There is nothing further I would like to read from someone with such views. <<

If you can't handle the differences of opinion, then yes, that's a good idea. Not all of my opinions are nice ones, because the world is full of troublesome people and problems, and I'm shy about calling them out.
I think you are judging the Israelis more harshly than you ought to,
and expressing that opinion harshly as well...

and you're free to do that, of course,
I'm just pointing it out to you...
I'll agree that both "judging" and "harsh" are fair. Too harsh is a matter of taste.

I'm not innately tactful. I can apply the premise of "gently if possible, firmly if necessary" to a certain extent. But I am a much better sledgehammer than a sand mallet. About the time permanent or fatal damage is done, is usually one of the more consistent thresholds at which I quit trying to apply constructive criticism with a measure of grace, and just resort to some flavor of WTF.