Adverbs help, but many editors attack them. Rely on these only if you know your editor is sensible about the use of adverbs; otherwise you'll wind up fighting over them. Verb synonyms for speech are more likely to survive the editing process. A reasonable range is about one in five to one in ten speech tags being something other than "said." Make sure you understand the meaning of each word so that you use it precisely and properly. Here are some sources:
http://www.cyberspaces.net/6traits/wsaid.html
http://www.thecaveonline.com/APEH/said.html
http://writingfiction.suite101.com/article.cfm/synonyms_for_said_for_writers
http://www.ncusd203.org/central/html/what/commarts/resources/synonyms_for_said.htm
May 30 2010, 20:27:31 UTC 11 years ago
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May 30 2010, 22:24:53 UTC 11 years ago
I actually have some characters who tend to speak in very even tones. Kovid almost never raises his voice. He doesn't need to; as a warlord-wizard, he has other means of expressing his displeasure. He's an exception, though. Most of mine vary their tone more. They also have different habits -- some characters shout when angry, while others will growl or hiss. A warning tone can be sharp, purring, singsong, etc. Those vocal features tell you something about the character. They're important. I hate reading stories where the sound quality sucks.
May 30 2010, 20:31:11 UTC 11 years ago
Well...
May 30 2010, 22:12:08 UTC 11 years ago
The anti-synonym editors are less common than the adverbphobes. Both are a benighted nuisance. They are entitled to impose their editorial tastes on materials they publish. I'm entitled to spend my money on something more interesting.
May 30 2010, 20:48:11 UTC 11 years ago
I have friends (male, both of them) who are inordinately fond of "quip." They NEVER use it right. EVER. This tends to leave me rageful and flogging them about the head and shoulders with Roget's.
I avoid dialogue tags when I can, use said, asked, shouted or whispered when I can't. No one ejaculates (words), thin-smiles or quips in my books. Occasionally they will enunciate, but the dialogue shows this as well.
May 30 2010, 22:29:29 UTC 11 years ago
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May 30 2010, 20:48:55 UTC 11 years ago
Can you recommend any forums for writers of modern fantasy? I'm 30,000-odd words into what looks like it'll be a novel about Frey and the alfar coming back into the world... Writing it is entertaining me but if I want to do anything with it I'm going to need a lot of feedback. (I can tell it's utter cr*p that will need loads of editing, to be clearer.)
I looked at writing.com but wasn't very impressed with it... Is there anywhere you think might be better?
May 30 2010, 23:13:44 UTC 11 years ago Edited: May 30 2010, 23:14:28 UTC
My only objection is that the last one doesn't seem to get the difference between the tenses; "says" vs. "said". It drives me to distraction when writers mix the two tenses. ;)
May 31 2010, 01:19:22 UTC 11 years ago
Examples:
Emotional reaction method:
"Sugar! Spice! There you are!" Lo smiled, and stood up. She hugged each of them in turn.
[It is thus indicated that Lo is the one speaking]
Other action method:
Lo's mother turned red. "I'm sorry, dears, to barge in on you like this."
[Lo's mother turning red indicates she is the one speaking.]
Name-dropping method:
Just then, the door at the top of the stairs opened again, and someone came down them. Everyone turned to look at who was coming. They were all quite surprised to see someone who looked like an older version of Lo; tall, pale, with long black hair, except that this person was wearing a tan one-piece dress made of very light – but not sheer – fabric, and had glasses on. They all instantly recognized Lo's mom.
"Mom?"
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"We don't really have a seat for you, Mom."
[Thus it is made clear Lo is speaking, as the previous paragraph is describing someone who looks like an older version of Lo]
May 31 2010, 01:21:21 UTC 11 years ago
Now it was the other Hispanic boy's turn. Fidgeting in his seat, trying to get comfortable, he managed to say, "Adrian Saul Rodriguez"
May 31 2010, 01:24:26 UTC 11 years ago
The willowy girl with dirty-blond hair adjusted her glasses before speaking. “Cinnamon Cumin, alias Spice. Treasurer.”
Yes...
May 31 2010, 01:39:52 UTC 11 years ago
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May 31 2010, 18:15:34 UTC 11 years ago
I've heard that about several authors. I think it's a cool idea.
>> You know my feelings about adverbs, and the current aversion to their use (cue "Lolly, Lolly, Lolly, Get Your Adverbs Here!").<<
*cackle* I actually did that once during a panel, back in my fangirl days. I got so fed up with the editors on the panel trying to take away 1/8 of the English parts of speech, I said, "Lolly, Lolly, Lolly, get your adverbs here!" ... and the audience started singing along. It was so fun. People kept saying that if I was an editor, I'd hate adverbs too. They were so wrong.
>> In my mind, it's simply a trend, and as with most trends, it may eventually go the other way.<<
Likely so. In my observation, extremes are rarely a good idea. Too many or not enough adverbs or synonyms is bad for writing. Moderate amounts tend to read better. Any time you're doing something extreme, it takes more skill or the result is unpalatable.
June 3 2010, 03:38:53 UTC 11 years ago
I don't mind "said"- it fades into the background.
I hate overuse of cute synonyms/qualifiers; once they get overused enough to make me aware of them, they're intrusive and I start to count them and maybe create a drinking game. Example of note: Jim Butcher's overuse of "quietly" in his "Codex Alera" series, in which 1 book had several examples of him using it 5 times per page. This is annoying and make4s me conscious of the mechanics of the writing rather than the story.
However, I also hate it when the author does not attribute comments to people, so if I want to know who said what I need to go to the last attribution and COUNT. And this only works if there are only 2 people talking.