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Romance Character Conflicts
I don't read or write a great deal of romance, but it can be fun as a subplot.  Recently I happened to be reading some, and I noticed something: the #1 conflict between hero and heroine seems to be a misunderstanding in which he thinks she doesn't love him and she thinks he doesn't love her, so they don't get together until the end of the book, when the truth is revealed and magically solves most or all of their problems.  This is true even in several books where other things should be causing more of the conflict.  I am wondering how widespread this is across the romance genre, because I suspect it goes a long way towards my usual feeling of "Nothing is happening, this is stupid."  (I rarely enjoy romantic smalltalk from live people, so it tends to bore me in fiction too.)  I'm also interested in alternatives.

I can think of a few books with romantic plotlines where something other than a misunderstanding played a major role.  Shards of Honor, for instance, featured a star-spanning culture clash erupting into warfare.  Some other possible conflicts:

* The characters were raised so differently that it creates many differences in how they do everyday things, so that they have a hard time fitting together.
* The characters hold deeply opposed religious/political/other views that spark interpersonal disputes and make their relatives uncomfortable, and which cannot easily be abandoned.
* The characters live far apart.  It is difficult for them to spend time together, even though they both want to.
* The characters live in a context where extreme social disapproval makes it difficult or even dangerous for them to be together, which will continue as long as they are in a relationship.  Or even alive, for some cases.
* The characters don't have a language in common.  One or both will have to learn a new language, which for most people is exhaustive and frustrating.
* There is an inherent physical risk to them being together, especially in a sexual way.  This is most prevalent in speculative fiction with a vampiric or lycanthropic or alien partner but there are other possibilities.
* The characters have opposing professions, which they are unwilling or unable to change.
* One character wants children and the other does not (or cannot have them).  No matter how much they love each other, they want fundamentally different things from life in that regard.
* One character is handicapped.  The other is not used to working around that and feels uncomfortable.

Once in a while, I see one of those other factors played as the prevailing conflict that the characters must come to terms with before affirming their relationship.  Most of the time, though, even when these very big issues are on the board -- these things that frequently lead to breakups -- they are usually overshadowed by Misunderstanding #1, as if love solves everything.  It doesn't.  It really, really doesn't.  It can make you determined to solve everything, but that's a different story.

That's a different story, and that's the kind I want to read, and write myself.

One of the other things that got me thinking about this was the planned relationship between Fala and Rai in Torn World.  She's Northern, he's Southern; relationships are strained between those cultures, but they can't easily ignore each other anymore.  Their everyday lives are so different as to have almost no overlap.  Social support for the relationship is variable; some of their relatives are okay with it, but the expectations are so wildly different that even "support" can spark outbursts.  Their homes are very far apart; they have to figure out where or when they could be together and whether they can stand to separate sometimes.  At the time they meet, they are both handicapped: Rai was born blind, and Fala lost her legs in a wilderness accident.  It doesn't help that he's relatively comfortable with his handicap and she isn't with hers yet.  Their languages share a common root (Ancient) but have evolved differently for Fala (Northern) and Rai (Southern).  The grammar and function words are similar, but a lot of the content words are very different.  That puts a drag on the conversation.  They're lucky that both of them are smart, fast learners -- and Rai has a stupendous memory. 

Do they love each other?  Once they get over some initial awkwardness, yes, they both understand that part just fine.  It doesn't help much with problem-solving.  It just keeps them in a place where they need to solve those problems.  Sort of like the difference between holding someone over a fire vs. giving them a fire extinguisher.

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whuffle From: [info]whuffle Date: March 8th, 2010 06:07 pm (UTC) (Link)
Good thoughts!

If you haven't already, go read some Marion Zimmer Bradley Darkover novels. Particularly the Renunciate's Saga which contains "Shattered Chain", Thendara House", and "City of Sorcery". This sub-series features unique characters who's love is manifested in unusual ways and the problems they encounter are distinctive. I'd also say that The Forbidden Circle cycle of books that are also part of this world contain some interesting and complex relationship issues....
ysabetwordsmith From: [info]ysabetwordsmith Date: March 9th, 2010 03:52 pm (UTC) (Link)

Yes...

I have read those. Hard to manage delicate relationship matters when people are trying to obliterate you and everything you stand for!
rowangolightly From: [info]rowangolightly Date: March 8th, 2010 06:09 pm (UTC) (Link)

Real life is stranger than fiction...

Mine anyway!

Your first two points are the reasons my former husband quotes as the reason that we *had* to divorce.

Biggest bullshit in the world, IMO, if two people are committed to a loving relationship, willing to compromise and make it work. Challenges? Certainly, but not insurmountable ones.



Edited at 2010-03-08 06:10 pm (UTC)
youraugustine From: [info]youraugustine Date: March 8th, 2010 06:16 pm (UTC) (Link)

Re: Real life is stranger than fiction...

Meh. Depends on the person. I'm a pagan mystic: I genuinely could not have an intimate relationship with someone who was equally committed to their own faith, if said faith insisted that (for example) I was going to Hell. Likewise for issues of sexuality and gender roles.

"Willing to compromise" is thrown about as if it were the solution to all things, but the idea of being "willing to compromise" with someone who thinks (for example) that queer people should be rounded up and shot is . . . .abhorrent. I might love them otherwise with every part of my soul, but that would make a relationship impossible. End of story.

(Example here NOT pulled out of the abstract, akshually. Likewise, I would not be able to have a relationship with someone who hated children. *shrugs* Not being able to have my own would destroy me from the inside out, however "willing to compromise" I was.)
whuffle From: [info]whuffle Date: March 8th, 2010 06:18 pm (UTC) (Link)

Re: Real life is stranger than fiction...

I'll offer opposing proof on this one considering my husband and I grew up with very different religious backgrounds and in very different worlds but are now married and making it work anyways. Yes, my mother-in-law dearly loves nothing more than to pitch a fit and try to cause problems based on our religious differences. But that doesn't do anything to shake my husband and I, our love for each other, or the choices we make together.
ideealisme From: [info]ideealisme Date: March 8th, 2010 07:02 pm (UTC) (Link)

Re: Real life is stranger than fiction...

Sometimes the "abrupt and shocking retracting of the promise", as Francine Prose calls it, makes the story. The tragedy then comes from the protagonist trying to track down this elusive figure and make them theirs. The story comes from the failure.

Or like Charlotte Bronte one can rewrite the real-life failure to a fictional success - I like her style :)
ysabetwordsmith From: [info]ysabetwordsmith Date: March 9th, 2010 04:21 pm (UTC) (Link)

Re: Real life is stranger than fiction...

In my experience, success or failure of a relationship depends on the people and the problems.

Some people are more willing than others to make significant life changes. Some people have more skills, or are better at them. If someone is willing, they might not be able; sometimes people try and fail -- in love, as in so many other things.

Some problems are bigger than others, or harder to get away from. Some relationships just have one or a few challenges; others have many. Lovers might solve two or five or eight, and fall through from sheer exhaustion. (That's not an accident; society counts on it in certain cases.) Even a single problem is like mountain climbing; it may be within or beyond the ability of a given couple to surmount. Most people can get over a hill. Many can climb a small mountain. Some can go farther. But almost nobody can scale Mt. Everest.

Simply being in love doesn't magically give you the skills to solve your problems. It gives you energy and determination, which you can apply towards using your skills and/or acquiring new ones. Sometimes that's enough; sometimes it's not. Sometimes one person burns out on it before the other does, which can be maddening.

*hugs* I know this is a really touchy issue for you right now. Thanks for chiming in.
youraugustine From: [info]youraugustine Date: March 8th, 2010 06:13 pm (UTC) (Link)
I think this is as much a characterisation thing as anything else, though. As, reading through your list, I have people who both stop at one or another and go " . . . . . hrm" and ones that immediately offer solutions. (It's probably a general indication of local alignment, however, that your last one gets a universal "GET comfortable.")
ysabetwordsmith From: [info]ysabetwordsmith Date: March 9th, 2010 04:53 pm (UTC) (Link)

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>>I think this is as much a characterisation thing as anything else, though. As, reading through your list, I have people who both stop at one or another and go " . . . . . hrm" and ones that immediately offer solutions. <<

Yes. Some people are problem-solvers. In some relationships, that's an asset; in others it gets in the way. Sometimes both. Some people are good at solving certain types of problems, or don't consider a given issue to be a big deal, where it might be a huge obstacle for someone else.

>> (It's probably a general indication of local alignment, however, that your last one gets a universal "GET comfortable.")<<

Interesting local alignment! In my experience, some people can learn to deal with a disability (someone else's, or their own), some try and fail, some walk away. Some stay and are destroyed by it. That can be a very insidious way to die -- being in a situation where there's always more energy going out than coming in, a slow trickling decline until the person doesn't have enough left to fight off a disease or avoid an accident.

Major issues take energy to deal with. Some people have more energy than others; some things are cheap for one person but expensive for another, energy-wise. You have to keep an eye on the net balance of your relationships, to make sure they're not sucking all the life out of you ... and that you're not doing that to someone else.

puffbird From: [info]puffbird Date: March 8th, 2010 06:26 pm (UTC) (Link)
One of the things I loved about Barbara Hambly's Dragonsbane was the subplot about the main character's relationship with her husband, and the conflict between her love for him and their children, their need for her to be part of their lives, and her desire to focus on her magic to become more powerful. Ultimately for me everything else in the story was a macguffin to that subplot, because that was the most interesting part of the book.

Not your typical romance.

Similarly, Sharon Shinn's Archangel was about two people from very different backgrounds who "were destined" to marry (and had to, according to the rules of the story), and about how they worked to make it work, despite their differences.

Romances that hinge on misunderstandings are not interesting to me at all. Yes, that's part of all relationships... but there's more to it than that.
haikujaguar From: [info]haikujaguar Date: March 8th, 2010 06:29 pm (UTC) (Link)
I think romance writers know very well that love doesn't solve everything, and they probably know multiple people in all the situations you've suggested. They write the stories the way they're written as escapism for other people, who, like them, wish that love solved everything, know it doesn't and don't want to have to look it in the eye again. They are tired of that truth.

It's like reading space opera, knowing that half the stuff in it is ridiculous and couldn't work. We know that. It's not why we read it. We read it to not have to confront difficult things we're already all too cognizant of and dealing with in RL.

Does that make sense? I'm tired, so I'm not sure how coherent I am.
dulcinbradbury From: [info]dulcinbradbury Date: March 8th, 2010 08:49 pm (UTC) (Link)
I was thinking the same thing actually. It's similar to some of the "cozy" mystery tropes. After the initial theft/murder/whatever, all other things will be narrow escapes at most & all things will be wrapped up neatly by the end.
ysabetwordsmith From: [info]ysabetwordsmith Date: March 9th, 2010 05:05 pm (UTC) (Link)

Thank you!

This is very useful input.

I think ... for me, it's an issue with suspension of disbelief. Misunderstanding #1, especially when coupled with trivialized problems, tends to make my suspension of disbelief chew through the ropes and run screaming around the room. I do have a "fantasy threshold," if you will, in that I rarely enjoy stories about the ordinary world or in which oppressive forces win: if I want to be depressed, I'll watch the news; I read fiction to have fun. In a fictional relationship, I guess that I like to see characters surmount overwhelming odds the same way I like to see them win great battles.

So maybe it's just a difference of taste (which is okay). Insight into the appeal of Misunderstanding #1 is illuminating and useful.
whuffle From: [info]whuffle Date: March 8th, 2010 06:37 pm (UTC) (Link)
BTW, for what it's worth, I'm also working on a story for Torn World that involves two very different people who are going to find themselves attracted to each other but will have a difficult time making it work because their lives are so very different and in some ways diametrically opposite. (Now if only one of the characters would speak in her own voice for me rather than a voice I KNOW is coming from another story I'm not working on right now.....Damnit she needs to sound like herself, not just a carbon copy of someone else's character.)
ysabetwordsmith From: [info]ysabetwordsmith Date: March 9th, 2010 05:09 pm (UTC) (Link)

Yay!

>>BTW, for what it's worth, I'm also working on a story for Torn World that involves two very different people who are going to find themselves attracted to each other but will have a difficult time making it work because their lives are so very different and in some ways diametrically opposite.<<

This will be interesting to watch. *ponder* I think we have some of each romance type in Torn World, come to think of it. That's a good thing.

Also, there are the challenges with Southern license laws, which discourage marriages between people who are too far apart in terms of class, employment, age, etc. They probably have romance tropes that are all about overcoming those difficulties!
beckyzoole From: [info]beckyzoole Date: March 8th, 2010 07:02 pm (UTC) (Link)
Interestingly, "South Pacific" has two examples of romances where something other than misunderstanding is happening. (I'm referring both to the musical and the book it's based on.)

Lieutenant Joe Cable and Liat are briefly separated by his racial and class prejudice (a Tonkinese girl is great as a wartime girlfriend, but not someone he'll bring home to mother), but he overcomes it. Sadly, though, he's killed in action.

Lieutenant Nellie Forbush and Emile de Becque are also briefly separated by prejudice, when Nellie realizes that her beloved comes with his two half-Tonkinese children. But she is also able to overcome her prejudice, and this romance ends happily when Emile survives the same attack that had killed Joe.
ysabetwordsmith From: [info]ysabetwordsmith Date: March 9th, 2010 06:03 pm (UTC) (Link)

Cool!

Those are solid conflicts, all right.
mmegaera From: [info]mmegaera Date: March 8th, 2010 11:35 pm (UTC) (Link)
I can tell you that for readers who've lived through the kinds of conflicts you're listing, they kind of ruin the escapism that romance is meant to be. (and sometimes they don't, but I'll get to that below)

For instance, I divorced because my ex basically hoodwinked me into moving "temporarily" from my beloved Pacific Northwest back to his beloved Ohio, theoretically just long enough for him to go to graduate school. He got within a two-hour drive of his seven brothers and sisters, and I never was able to pry him loose again. Finally, the only way I was able to go home was alone. Now I suppose we could have compromised and moved to Nebraska or something, and both been miserable, but IME, there's no way to compromise on geography -- one person simply has to give in. Reading a romance where a "compromise" has been reached on the subject, or, worse, where one partner has been made "happy" to give in (because love conquers all, of course), is a pretty much guaranteed wallbanger for me. It ruins the fantasy.

OTOH, I love and adore the romance Lois McMaster Bujold gave her hero Miles Vorkosigan in Komarr and A Civil Campaign, in spite of the fact that my other ex (I'm good at a lot of things, marriage not being one of them) was very much like Ekaterin's first husband. But Miles, in his inimitable way, opened doors for her instead of making her make choices. And they have a shared heritage and shared goals. So it works.

The thing is, when you introduce conflicts that can't be solved by Love Conquering All, you have to be really very careful how you tread. How you solve those conflicts can make your book meet the wall faster than just about anything else, if it grates against your reader's personal experiences.

It's different from cozy mysteries and space opera, because most people don't have personal experiences in how those are handled. Most people do have at least some personal experience with romance (and, if they're unlucky, some of those quite possibly insurmountable conflicts you list above), and you don't want to ruin the fantasy for them.
ysabetwordsmith From: [info]ysabetwordsmith Date: March 9th, 2010 09:32 pm (UTC) (Link)

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>>I can tell you that for readers who've lived through the kinds of conflicts you're listing, they kind of ruin the escapism that romance is meant to be. <<

I think that readers are looking for different things in romances, then. The "fantasy" version seems to be the prevailing choice. There are some other variations, though, which tend to appeal to me more.

>> IME, there's no way to compromise on geography -- one person simply has to give in.<<

If both people are extremely attached to disparate locations, that tends to be true. You pick one or the other, or you split up. However, I've heard of a few couples that commute, or split their time between two places, or live apart for long periods and then get together.

>>The thing is, when you introduce conflicts that can't be solved by Love Conquering All, you have to be really very careful how you tread. How you solve those conflicts can make your book meet the wall faster than just about anything else, if it grates against your reader's personal experiences. <<

Ironically, that's the same thing that turns me off on LCA romances: they don't fit my personal experiences. Problems don't disappear with a kiss and a hand-wave, they take work to fix, so when LCA happens in fiction, it bugs me. I'm more interested in watching characters work through problems. But it helps to know how other readers' thought processes work, too.
iamtheelfinpoet From: [info]iamtheelfinpoet Date: March 9th, 2010 01:04 pm (UTC) (Link)

All your points are valid

and I agree with you, but to me there is a factor that needs to be addressed when it comes to the romance genre. As you say, romance is a wonderful ingredient for any type of writing, but we have to careful about the message we are sending.

What I dislike mostly about romance novels is that they are greatly crafted fairy tales which are teaching women to "rely" on that whole love-conquers-all philosophy, and also, that women are in desperate need of protection.

In Sci-Fi, as you point out, or in fantasy which is your more your thing than mine, perhaps romance has a far stronger and deeper meaning, which is wonderful. But as I writer I am careful, and as a reader...I am extremely picky.

Thanks for this post, very interesting indeed!
ysabetwordsmith From: [info]ysabetwordsmith Date: March 9th, 2010 09:39 pm (UTC) (Link)

Re: All your points are valid

>> What I dislike mostly about romance novels is that they are greatly crafted fairy tales which are teaching women to "rely" on that whole love-conquers-all philosophy, and also, that women are in desperate need of protection. <<

Those messages bother me too; I've seen people get into disastrous situations because of them. (Including one that led to someone crawling out of my bathroom window.) It's the same problem with many traditional fairytales.

However, that's not necessarily the only way to look at this. People can read fiction without buying into the messages it sends. (Think of all the girls who read boyfic SF and grew up to write SF themselves, even if there were no strong women in those stories.) The question is whether romance readers know that "Love Conquers All" is a fantasy and are just reading it for fun, or whether they want it to work in the real world. And that can go either way, depending on the person.

A key reason I like to explore other options in romantic storylines is to diversify the messages. Okay, LCA can be a fun, hopeful message; but it's not the only one. It's empowering, and it can be fun, to tell or read a story in which lovers cleverly figure out solutions to their problems; or in which the new things they discover as a couple cause them to grow and change in ways that make it possible for them to live together. That tells you things don't have to start out perfect to end up in a happy place. It's just a different kind of romantic story, appealing to a different readership.
From: [info]christinaathena Date: March 9th, 2010 02:27 pm (UTC) (Link)
Differences of social class can also be an issue. Or others' misunderstandings. The Tale of Genji, for example, has a subplot where, for various reasons, Genji falsely claims that a young woman is a recently-discovered daughter of his (her mother had been a former lover of his who, for various reasons, had fled the city for the provinces with her then-infant daughter). This results in several uncomfortable situations for the young woman:

A) Genji begins to show interest in her, and she, too, has feelings for him, but he cannot do anything because everyone thinks she's his daughter, and he cannot risk anyone catching them

B) Genji's son, thus her supposed half-brother, speaks to her informally, in a manner appropriate (for Heian nobles) for a male relative, but extremely inappropriate for an unrelated male. She cannot refuse his presence without revealing Genji's lie

C) Her ACTUAL half-brothers begin courting her. Again, she cannot reveal her relationship to them, and is forced to try to gently dissuade them away.

In another situation, Genji was unable to formally marry his great love, Lady Murasaki, because of her low status (mirroring, incidentally, the situation between his father, the Emperor, and his mother, a low-ranking noblewoman at the palace). She is restricted to being, officially, nothing more than a concubine. She later feels threatened when Genji, for political reasons, takes another wife, a high-ranking princess, although Genji has no feelings for her.

(Actually, one of the messages of the book seems to be "life sucks for women", so many of the female characters find themselves trapped in dilemmas created by the men around them)
ysabetwordsmith From: [info]ysabetwordsmith Date: March 9th, 2010 09:49 pm (UTC) (Link)

Wow!

That sounds complicated and intense. Class conflicts can create strong romantic tension, yes.
zellie_bean From: [info]zellie_bean Date: March 10th, 2010 05:36 am (UTC) (Link)
ABSOLUTELY! And why I don't read romance. I'm bored to death with the stupid misunderstanding. Give me a REAL conflict not a manufactured one.
ysabetwordsmith From: [info]ysabetwordsmith Date: March 10th, 2010 05:45 am (UTC) (Link)

Well...

We've been discussing alternatives. Scan the comments for various people's recommendations of meatier relationship challenges in romantic fiction. You might like to keep an eye on [info]torn_world too -- it sounds like several of us there are planning to drive our characters through some serious obstacle courses.
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